Facial Rejuvenation System RAY Lumiere( with pics)

[Jim Fisher]

Saw this unit in Orlando , very interesting unit.. Unit emits light at a certain UV to help collagen growth

Ill try to get the owner to come on and talk about it in detail







http://www.raymondanthony.net/v2/home.htm

[Matthew]

No UV light here.
It does emit visable red light around 680nm.

[Jim Fisher]

Matthew

Sorry .. you are right

[Don]

The "peak" of the "narrow focal range" photodiode is at 663.7 (± 5 nm) which is in the "red light" (far-visible) range.

I spent quite a bit of time talking to the "technical" brains behind this unit and I was very impressed with them. They really knew what they were talking about!

Don

[Christine]

The system also includes products which when used together with the "light" seems to show visable improvement in the skin...
( remember you will to do a series of 3-6-9 sessions depending on the individual)...

This week I have a question and answer session with one of the reps from this company..
I'll keep you posted on what we learn..
Don.. I'll be calling you after I get the information...we can compare notes....

LED Light therapy is becoming very much the new thing....

[sparky]

Is this more "red-light' based, or lotions based for performance?

From many things I've seen this seems to be more lotions-bsed first, and then the 'light' is mentioned as an afterthough.

I have absolutely no clue as to this system, but even in one the latest trade mags, it was listed as a lotions-based first.

[Christine]

I am sure the products play a key roll.......

The funny thing is with this machine...I do not believe a licensed individual is needed to operate it....but I'm not clear yet if a license is needed to apply the products on the skin....if no license is needed then the products can not be more than an OTC level...

[JeffinKC]

No license is needed for the device or the application of lotions. There are products that are used daily by the customer and 3 products used before, during, and after each 20 minute session. The light is 633nm and works to soften fines lines and give an overall improvement in complexion. There are 3 different programs for people with different needs Vitalizing, Repairing, and Firming.

[Don]

Here are my concerns about all of the "red light" therapy systems on the market (or coming to the market).

1. The "good news" is that there is quite a bit of information substantiating the premise that the "red light" wavelengths have beneficial properties but the "bad news" is that allmost all of the data comes from studies with "narrow focus" lasers and not with "broad(er) focus" LED's.

2. While FDA may currently defer to ANSI and classify them as "cosmetic devices" currently, I'm not sure that they will with the "medical claims" that are being made (or implied) come to their attention.

Thus, we are doing some "due diligence" regarding these two points before moving forward with a purchase.

[Body Shop]

What does the thing cost??

[MacDaddy]

"Roxanne, you don't have to put on the red light..."

[Le]

633nm is correct. We have one machine now and have been using it for 5 weeks. Currently we are building a 5-unit salon just for Lumiere.

Cost $30k ea.

Blue light head (415nm) for acne should be around 10-15k (available 1st quarter, maybe)

It works.

Products stand on their own merit, way better than anything by Lancôme, Mac, or any other high-price facial care products. If you carry Tanology tanning lotion (also by RAI) you already know about this company's integrity.

The unit stands on it's own merit, the technology has been used in America for 10 years by doctors with 'light pens'. Lumierer has 2100 LED's in the head, the light pens had 1. It took 1 hour with the light pen, it takes just 20 min. with Lumiere and with ALOTT more light (duh) and Focused to 633, not fluctuating around +/- 30nm.

The Nutracueticals, well.....I wish they had never included those. (Cheap Vitamins, my $0.02)

-Tom Brookshire
Lumiere elite

PS. I am not with RAI
Please contact Tony or Ray, or any of their wonderful support staff.

[masstan]

how many clients did you sign up for the first start up month and did any of them re-sign for the maintainance program. did the clients actually see results?

[Le]

Most have resigned for another intensive package (the package they did not do last time). I believe they will go on the maintenance packages after.

Most have seen good results, some get freaked out by the intensity of the light, only 2 of 46 clients have said they felt there was minimal improvement in their skin.

My father has gone 3 sessions under the repairing treatment and he seriously looks 5 years younger already.

He is the prime candidate. Lived most of his life on the lakes, used to work 18+ hours every day of the week during the 80's recession, and has NEVER used any skin care. The only things that could make him a better client would be if he had drank alcohol or smoked.

In other words, the more carcinogens and the less skin care to date the better the results.

The two that had very minimal results were 22 and 26 years of age. My girlfriend and partner (29) has had so/so results, but she is a "product queen". Ages 28 to 60 seem to be our broad-base demographics with the best results coming in the 35 to 50 age group. Men will be better 'dramatic results' clients as most men have very poor skin care regimes in their life, therefor have more to fix.

We have some clients who use just the machine and 2 who buy only the product. As I posted before, both parts of the regime stand on their own merit.

-Tom

PM if you have any Q’s wink wink

P.s. - Can someone tell me where the spell check is?

[Jim Fisher]

House of Tan , There is no spell check.. But you can download a great free program call www.iespell.com and it will load it on your internet explorer browser. After you write something you would just click on the abc spell icon from iespell check and it will spell check the words. I use it all the time and its great.

Ps. Is there any way that you can post before and after pics of the people that you are doing this to? If you don't know how to post pics , send me the file and ill upload for you

Jim

[Le]

I will try to get something together soon. Since computers hate me, I will just e-mail you the files and let you post them.


Thanks,
-Tom

[John]

Nothing new here!

Holistic Light therapy has been used for years.

LEDS are a good source because they are very intense & very efficient. The same effect can be had with units that use flourescent lamps

Search the web & you will find plently of info on this.


Light Therapy info

Blue Light article

FDA Approval of LED Blue

Dr. Kern

Assessments were performed every 4 weeks. After 12 weeks of active treatment a mean improvement of 76% (95% confidence interval 66-87) in inflammatory lesions was achieved by the combined blue-red light phototherapy; this was significantly superior to that achieved by blue light (at weeks 4 and 8 but not week 12), benzoyl peroxide (at weeks 8 and 12) or white light (at each assessment). The final mean improvement in comedones by using blue-red light was 58% (95% confidence interval 45-71), again better than that achieved by the other active treatments used, although the differences did not reach significant levels. We have found that phototherapy with mixed blue-red light, probably by combining antibacterial and anti-inflammatory action, is an effective means of treating acne vulgaris of mild to moderate severity, with no significant short-term adverse effects.

I would do some more research before dropping more than $10K on any of these units.

There are plenty of European companies doing similar thing for much less!

[Le]

"There are plenty of European companies doing similar thing for much less!"

You get what you pay for, I did my research too.

-Tom

[Le]

What kind of lights are these?
These are GE's 150Watt Dichro-Color lamps. The blue light includes wavelengths 405-420nm. The red light includes wavelength 660nm. A dichroic filter is on the inside surface of the heat resistant glass lens. The filter produces a specific color by selectively transmitting only the desired wavelengths of light with virtually no energy absorption.
The blue light need to be at 415 nm

The red light needs to be at 633 nm

Much too difficult to keep the wavelength from fluctuating with a traditional bulb of any sort. LED(s) are not light bulbs and produce very little heat, much easier to control

This is the problem with most other machines, and why you need LED lights to be (significantly) effective.

Do I need a special fixture for these bulbs?
These bulbs are the size and shape of a regular floodlight and will fit into a standard sized socket, however, the fixture must have a ceramic socket or be rated for at least 150Watts. We offer a line of fixtures

What? Come on now. How about 120 volt / 150 watt 'flood light' type tanning bulbs for your house fixtures.

[John]

The red light needs to be at 633 nm

Red light is 660nm, at 633 you are more orange/red than true red.