Lumiere before and after pictures

[glowgirl35]

32,000

[solarmeter®]

Gasp.... for 500-1000 red leds at $0.50 each plus housing and controller? Sad.

Rumor has it that new ones coming out soon at less than 10% of your cost. Who knows for sure? Not me. Hang in there!

[dcjjp2]

I have seen units (more home units for about $350)

[coldgyn]

I thought this was a thread that would show an owner with money in their hand then one without any money.

[teja]

Any luck selling that thing?

[Din]

TEJA....you've responded to every single Lumiere thread on here with the same exact line......what the hell do you care if they had any luck selling it. Does that mean you are interested in buying it? If so, state that you are interested.

Thank you.

[nebtans]

Ugly... But effective.. Costs about $100 to build.

www.ezsunless.com/other.html

made from used LED red traffic light "Ball" (Ebay) and obvious Magnifying lamp.

532 High Power LEDS @633 nm

[Le]

OK, I'll bite.

Who the hell would pay to sit under an upside-down pasta drainer with untuned lights?

How do you keep them balanced in the range that is needed to be effective. Heat distorts the output.

Who covers your insurace, since you built it yourself?

I have finally cleared the 100K mark for sales of photo-facial services about 6 months ago and I am still kicking strong and I have tested over 6 units with Steve's 633 meter.

I have never seen a traffic light LED cluter read anywhere near 633 nm.

I know what I am talking about, I have been doing this for 3 years now.

You don't want to get a bad rep in your area for ineffective equipment, the Doctors and Spas will laugh at you, while they go to the bank.

[nebtans]

LEDS are manufactured at a specific frequency.. The very nature of their manufacturing assures there is very little drift in their output over their very long lifetime.

The light "Balls" that I use are manufactured of Military Spec ultra high power 630nM LEDS. You can spec the "Balls" before you buy them from a manufacturer for more details.

And yes when you look up at the traffic signal today most likely you will be looking into a 630-660nM cluster of high power LEDS.

The Ones I use are at 630 to 660 nm. as far "Drift" you have to extensively stress an LED to cause them to drift more than one or two percent. "Tuned LEDS" is a marketing clause. So is harmonic frquency, spatial frequency relationship and several other meaningless terminologies in the medi/spa industry. The "Heat" generated by LEDS is so little that There is not likely to be any significant wavelength "Drift" in an ambient air conditioed room.

Even if they did Drift.. So, What???? Noone in the industry can agree as to what wavelength is most effective anyway. some sell units at 630, some at 660, some others are touting yellow, amber and even green as the most healing.

The point is that collimated light seems to have the effect on the mitachondria of the cells. This produces a reation that stimulates cellular regeneration and healing. The increased cellular activity promotes more collagen and a more youthful appearance.

As ugly as my unit is..it works as well as lumiere and has nearly the same output.

Will it work financially??? Not sure.. I built it to test the idea of Photorejuvenation theories. I had some amazing results with the few clients and friends I tried the unit on.

As far as financial success I can find only a handful that have had success with the Lumiere, vasculight or any other packaged machine offering.

So, i offer this information from a theoretical perspective to those interested in trying something fundamentally different.. yet scientifically valid.

Anyone could of course create their own enclosure for the cluster and create whatever look they desired.


I am not selling the device... I am not seling anything.. agnore the web link price.. I am just providing information for some people who may want to try it.


Insurance??? Impossible for a person to sue for exposure to 630nM light. There simply is no way to cause damage at this wavelength.



Heat distortion... what heat?? Leds produce so little heat as to be almost negligible..

Not sure where you get "Pasta Drainer" nothing like that here.

[Matthew]

Not bad...

[nebtans]

Just for curiosity, how many Traffic light balls HAVE YOU METERED? And what freq DID they meter to?

Also HOW did you meter them? Did you use an average weighted device that measure the average luminosity of the entire array? Or, did you use a more precise scanning instrument that can measure the output/variance of the individual LEDS?

Scientifically, if you measure the average.. you still get an approximation of the intial wavelength.. Unless all LEDS were to "drift" in the same direction simultaneously, then you would have a "Skewed" mean in that direction. Again, unless you SIGNIFICANTLY stress LEDS they vary at most .25%-.5% from MFR wavelength. at 30degrees differential ther might be as much as 5% drift. My device generated at most a 10 degree differential resulting in a theoretical max drift of .5% and an average drift of less than that.

So, tell me how is it that Lumiere "Tunes" their LEDS?

Sorry, for the Mumbo-Jumbo.... I took a pretty big punch and I wanted to explain. I also like busting thru the marketing hype and BS!

Simply put.. "Tuned LEDS" is BS as is "Harmonic frequencies to induce maximum cellular generation" This is from the research that NASA did in the early 70's that started the whole idea.

Anyone else want to punch me? Go aheadl. I am not in the industry any longer. Just tried to share my research, as well as maybe help point some in a direction for their own ideas.

[Le]

I used the words "tuned LEDs" because most of what you are talking about is way over people’s heads. You now me, and I know that you are sharp as well.

I'm just tossing crap in your face to make you think further on what you posted.

I've metered one Traffic light and it barely even register on my 633 meter. (Thus must not be near 633 because that mother was bright as sh!t).

There is no confusion as to where the sweet spot is. Those that can't hit it, just make up their own numbers. 633 is where it is at. Proven and accepted by most in this field.

Believe me, I am not standing up for those jackasses at Lumiere. But their unit works well (since it is made by PTL).

And BTW, LED's do get hot as hell after 6 sessions back to back (and that is with many micro fans).

Remember I have more real-world application with this than anyone you will find on this board.

I am just jabbing at ya to get you to think more on your idea.

You’re going in the right direction, but Liability insurance is nothing to joke around about.

It does look like a pasta strainer... well maybe an old bed pan or something.

[solarmeter®]

NebTans: What he used to measure the traffic light was this:

http://www.solarmeter.com/model96.html

IF it was putting out lots of 330-360nm light the meter would read big not small. See the response graph:



I can't reach any traffic lights in MI because they are strung way up high in the middle of intersections. Maybe some are weak and others are strong.... who knows?

But I do agree that there must be far less expensive ways of generating ~80 mW/cm² ~630-650nm light than the commercial devices cost.

[TonyG]

Regardless how these units LOOK, do they work? So far, all I've seen is a picture of a guy who looked like Saddam Hussein in before and after photos. I didn't see enough difference to be convinced.

What scientific evidence is there that they actually work?

[nebtans]

absolutely, they work.

I had one client in particular that was interesting:

This client is in her mid fourties, smokes, drinks, and was quite hard on hers facial skin. in addition to the normal wrinkling.. She also has formed two very deep furrows in her brow. She also tans profusely.. UV and sunless as well as work outdoors in direct sunlight. so she is very dark.

anyway, after each session the deep furrow wrinkles tighten up so much that she has two "white lines" she appears to have horns after each session. She cancelled her apointment with a plastic surgeon and continued with treatments for a while until she moved.

another client I had almost jumped off the lounger when she saw her mirror image.

For persons over 40, the results can be dramatic. Under 40 most people still have youthful skin and will not see as much difference.

The quality of the topical agents is also important. I used Tanology products with the few clients I had.

[nebtans]

If the device appears RED it is near 630nm below 600nm is Yellow NOT RED, and above 660 moves toward Near Infrared.

Oddly, the original NASA research was near 630nM Although ongoing research by other manufacturers has shown similar results at many wavelengths.

Not all traffic ball clusters are at the same freq. Some are closer to 660nM . The one I used is at 630nM according to the MFR Specs.

Again I posted information... I am no longer in the biz, nor selling the devices.

[solarmeter®]

NO - infrared does not even start until 780nm (not near 660nm):



You can see where 630nm falls on this chart... smack-dab in the middle of orange:




So too yellow, or too red, is not the infamous 633nm "theraputic" ray. And judging by "brightness" can be very deceiving because our visible peak is not 633nm.

[Le]

Nebtans touched on something I have noticed also.

I almost want to stop selling packages to those under the age of 40. They still get results but not major changes that make them keep going.

[nebtans]

Anyway,

I just posted info to start people questioning and possibly considering their own research.

These "Medical" light sources are astronomically expensive for the tiny amount of actual components needed.

LED photorejuvenation, Laser hair removal, and Laser hair regeneration devices are hugely overexpensive.

[The Freshness]

Originally Posted by nebtans

Anyway,

I just posted info to start people questioning and possibly considering their own research.

These "Medical" light sources are astronomically expensive for the tiny amount of actual components needed.

LED photorejuvenation, Laser hair removal, and Laser hair regeneration devices are hugely overexpensive.

Include tanning beds in your list of overexpensive devices.

Anyway, Nebtans, great job on your prototype!