Skin rejuvenating....?

[lindalou]

Does anyone own or know anything firsthand about the skin rejuvenating beds? Heartland calls them "believe"

[Roy Griffith]

Here is an informational video that we produced.

YouTube - Rejuvasun Tanning Spa Bed

[solarmeter®]

You can check intensity of rejuvination rays with Model 9.6 Solarmeter:



Lumiere and Omnilux (red light only) read in the 80-100 mW/cm² range. The ETS and Heartland LED panels may be similar... not sure. So far red tube lamps (like Mercola, etc) are down around 15 mW/cm².

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[Don]

Steve:

The new LS "red light" tubes are in the 180-240 mW/cm^2 range at 25 cm distance.

In addition, fluorescent tubes have a more complete coverage of the 580 nm - 680 nm wavelengths, all of which "play a role" in the stimulation of fibroblasts and cellular signaling.

[solarmeter®]

Wow.. that's a huge improvement over the earlier versions you tried! As I recall they read ~10.

Then last year that ITS guy (Paul Spivak?) finally got his weak LED system to read over 200. But he seems to have fallen off a cliff (again).

[marilynnsyrett]

I think there are many other natural ways of rejuvenate your skin than by using these beds. Drink lots of water and use good skin care products that take care of your skin condition and nourish your skin.

Regards,

Marilynn

[John]

Lindalou,
Yes, these beds do work. There are plenty of models to choose from.
ETS has the Rejuvasun unit, which is a tanning bed with an LED panel for the face only. Heartland, Prosun, UWE, Sunsource are all offering full body coverage. Some areas it is an easy sell, others will have to work on it. The results are not instant, like tanning can be, so some people are afraid to sell it. I stole a saying from someone, they said " the units are like a gym membership, if you don't use it, you won't see the results, and results are not instant, you need to work on it.

[Le]

Originally Posted by marilynnsyrett

I think there are many other natural ways of rejuvenate your skin than by using these beds. Drink lots of water and use good skin care products that take care of your skin condition and nourish your skin.

Regards,

Marilynn

Would you put gas in a car without spark and expect it to go?

Fact: All cells in the body slow down as we age.

Fact: Every cell can be stimulated to work at a more optimal level.

Fact: You can’t turn a flabby body into rock hard muscle with good diet alone. -unless you are 18 Same thing is true with the skin; you need to make the cells (in the case of skin, the Fibroblast cell) as active as possible.

Fact: The Fibroblast cell needs stimulation in order to (efficiently) process any good skin care.

Fact: Red light therapy stimulates the Fibroblast cell to make it as active as possible.

You stimulate muscle cells with lifting weight, you stimulate Melanocyte cells with UV, and you stimulate Fibroblast cells with red light (633 +/- 5 nanometers).

If you are over 35-40 and just using a good skin care, you are washing off allot of money when you clean your face at night (wasted product, it was not used)

It really is as simple as a car engine; you need both the spark and the fuel. One with out the other just does not work that well.

The only difference is that in the human body you always have some spark, until you die. But if the cell is at only working at 10%, 30%, 50% or even 80%, the results of any skin care can be increase enormously with red light stimulation.

Hope that helps-

[Le]

BTW: Peels (chemical or laser) and microdermabrasion work by purposely damaging the skin in a controlled environment to stimulate the Fibroblast cell to get off its lazy butt and fix the skin.

You can get the same stimulation with red light therapy. Plus, you do not have any down time or recovery or damage.

[DB9276]

Originally Posted by Le

You stimulate muscle cells with lifting weight, you stimulate Melanocyte cells with UV, and you stimulate Fibroblast cells with red light (633 +/- 5 nanometers).

Nicely put into perspective. Le are you running these lamps in your salon?

[DB9276]

Originally Posted by solarmeter®

Lumiere and Omnilux (red light only) read in the 80-100 mW/cm² range. The ETS and Heartland LED panels may be similar... not sure. So far red tube lamps (like Mercola, etc) are down around 15 mW/cm².

Why are the tubes reading so much lower- what does this mean?

Does it have to do with the exposure schedule?

[Le]

I am waiting to use the lamps until further investigation.

[solarmeter®]

There is no regulation of exposure schedule for red light. It can't "burn" you. LED's are just more powerful than lamps. Well - except for some mysterious ones Don mentioned in Post #4.

[Don]

Nothing "mysterious" at all. The stronger ones are 100w to 160w and the 15 mW/cm² lamps are 15w/25w T5/T8 lamps.

[John]

The problem with LED's is that they need to be right on the skin or an inch away. They don't work well at 6" away. I metered a Lumiere unit & it was about 70 at the glass. At 4" away the number was a little over 1/2.

You can take these LSI 160W 633nm lamps & put 48 of them in your stand up which is not being used, for around $1300, & get full body coverage. Or you can spend $20K on an LED unit that only does your face.

Lumiere only does the face, with LP lamps you can hit all the problem areas at once, the face, neck, chest, even your can.

[solarmeter®]

Wow... that's cool! New fibroblast cells on my can? Hmmmm. New rounded butt!

[Don]

Steve:

It's even better. You get "full body coverage" - if you know what I mean-LOL.

A question for those of you interested in visible (white) light systems.

Why are "broad spectrum" emitters better than "narrow spectrum" emitters when it comes to skin rejuvenation?

[solarmeter®]

Because all action spectrums are broader than a single nanometer (eg 633) response. The follow a curve.... either a slope/tail like EAS or a bell.

Accurate meters are designed to follow the full action spectrum.



Quote from Don:

In addition, fluorescent tubes have a more complete coverage of the 580 nm - 680 nm wavelengths, all of which "play a role" in the stimulation of fibroblasts and cellular signaling.

[Don]

You are getting pretty smart for a meter geek-LOL.

Now for another question.

Why are all of the 580-680 nm wavelengths important?

[theislandtan]

[quote=John;308602]
You can take these LSI 160W 633nm lamps & put 48 of them in your stand up which is not being used, for around $1300, & get full body coverage. quote]

Would a 30 lamp 100 watt bed be enough to show results? How much would that cost?