SunSport 2021 Meter Reading... - Page 2 - TanToday

navigatin1 · 30th June 2009, 08:44 PM

Jebus, by the time you're done, you could have just bought a friggin new one!

Din · 30th June 2009, 08:45 PM

i used a thin screw driver to them through the towel in case you don't want to break a nail.

unity · 30th June 2009, 09:00 PM

I'm a chronic biter - no nails! lol

Din · 30th June 2009, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by navigatin1

Jebus, by the time you're done, you could have just bought a friggin new one!

How else am i going to save up for the Chronos Camaro if i spend money foolishly.

Maybe Unity wants one too...

navigatin1 · 30th June 2009, 09:30 PM

Dinmaro

uv2021 · 30th June 2009, 09:57 PM

Only the last run of beds ,wich were silver in color had the underperforming ballast.They were all replaced with the proper ballasts.You will need the xtra 2 mf caps to get the right zip from your machine.Do not sit back and wait for sun italia to call you back.Speak to roman and give him shit that no one got back to you.They are sometimes disorganized ,but they do care.

Brian Oshman · 1st July 2009, 02:25 AM

^^^Yup, need the extra caps. That is the problem with the output.

solarmeter® · 1st July 2009, 09:57 AM

What exactly does a capacitor do in the lamp circuit?

I know they build up and store and discharge voltage... but what are they for relative to running lamps that affects UV output?

engfant · 1st July 2009, 11:38 AM

consistency I would think. No dimming or power spikes if the bed is powering the caps and the caps are powering the lamps.

solarmeter® · 1st July 2009, 12:06 PM

So there would be no effect on meter readings with "bad" or too-small-mf if the power supply was "perfect"?

But when power falls lower the "good" caps would keep output up... at least for a short time until they discharged their stored extra voltage? Is that right or wrong?

And if voltage increased above "perfect" the caps would keep storing extra V for later use? So meter readings would not go up?

unity · 1st July 2009, 01:00 PM

Beats me. Where can I get such caps. Do they have to be 660v or can they be as low as the 308v that the lamps run at.

Drew · 10th July 2009, 02:58 PM

PER SIDE.....dru on that bed would be just 800.

over 500 for VHR units ....800 is a bit low for hp....900 would be a good target.

We used to do 1 hour sessions on 818's putting out 85 on the body...so a dru of 2350 apx per side. Tanned real well if I do say so myself.

My 2021s with new lamps will only put out about 100 at the body.
remember the Mattress is NOT THE BODY..have the meter at belly button height for average tanner. Fat people get more color.
Also, the meter won't read the side banks of lamps..but there is a good amount of light (photons) hitting you from those sides too that the meter misses.

210 incoming volts is great.

The most important number for you is WHAT IS THE METER READING at the Acrylic. Push the meter right up to the acrylic and find the BEST NUMBER for each lamp.

This number should be between 155-175 with new Supra's in it.

if you are not getting this...or you get this on some lamps but others are at 130..then you have either some low outputting ballasts or some tired capacitors.
Make sure the "back reflector" the removable part to replace lamps isn't fried. A dull, or scaley reflector back is easy to fix and ads a bunch more output per lamp.

unity · 10th July 2009, 03:27 PM

Thanks again Drew.

I just checked at 13 minutes in on a session. All lamps at glass, remember my acrylics are MIA, are reading 133 to 135. I was surprised by how close they all came in at. This includes new and old lamps. I have all new down the center and on some sides.

So it seems I am coming in a little short.

unity · 10th July 2009, 03:27 PM

Oh, and I am missing the 2 mic caps....

unity · 11th July 2009, 01:22 PM

I can get the covers for the back of the lamps chrome dipped. Good idea? Heck, I can get all the reflectors chrome dipped - but it would be a pain to remove all that stuff.

kpowr82 · 11th July 2009, 02:53 PM

How does chrome hold up to all that heat? I think you're better suited getting them ceramic coated (chrome like finish but heat resistant to like 1500 degrees or something). Unless you're kidding...

Also, putting in caps that are too small mf will burn your ballasts. Trust me, I know. It may only happen to 1 or 2 ballast on that circuit though. Nothing is scarier than when you smell an electrical fire in your salon. It takes a couple days to air out that smell too. Keeps everyone scared.

unity · 11th July 2009, 03:31 PM

What I do not get is if the bed needs 32 caps, why did it come with 30?

kpowr82 · 11th July 2009, 03:38 PM

Oh, sorry, I mis-read. I didn't know you were missing 2 caps.

unity · 11th July 2009, 03:42 PM

Ya, the "small ones" on top the bigger ones. Whats up with that. Oh well.... lol

Heck, the price of the bed is right. If I have to run it at 30 minutes, no biggie.

solarmeter® · 12th July 2009, 09:04 AM

Meters read 10 points higher when conservative republicans use them. It's not the bed's fault...

30th June 2009, 08:44 PM	#21 (permalink)
navigatin1 Hall of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,303	Re: SunSport 2021 Meter Reading... Jebus, by the time you're done, you could have just bought a friggin new one!

30th June 2009, 08:45 PM	#22 (permalink)
Din Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 11,186	Re: SunSport 2021 Meter Reading... i used a thin screw driver to them through the towel in case you don't want to break a nail. __________________ Dean Mandos (T) 416.669.0031 \| (E) info@chronosmarketing.com www.ChronosMarketing.com

30th June 2009, 09:00 PM	#23 (permalink)
unity Super Star Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 976	Re: SunSport 2021 Meter Reading... I'm a chronic biter - no nails! lol __________________ “There is only so much logical space in our universe,” Binette said. “Think of it like a Chinese take-out box stuffed with Kung-Pao Shrimp. The more shrimp you stuff in, some shrimp pop out the bottom."

30th June 2009, 09:30 PM	#25 (permalink)
navigatin1 Hall of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,303	Re: SunSport 2021 Meter Reading... Dinmaro

30th June 2009, 09:57 PM	#26 (permalink)
uv2021 Super Star Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 835	Re: SunSport 2021 Meter Reading... Only the last run of beds ,wich were silver in color had the underperforming ballast.They were all replaced with the proper ballasts.You will need the xtra 2 mf caps to get the right zip from your machine.Do not sit back and wait for sun italia to call you back.Speak to roman and give him shit that no one got back to you.They are sometimes disorganized ,but they do care.

1st July 2009, 02:25 AM	#27 (permalink)
Brian Oshman Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,812	Re: SunSport 2021 Meter Reading... ^^^Yup, need the extra caps. That is the problem with the output. __________________ Brian Oshman The Sun Doctor Supra Technologies www.supratechnologies.com 908-797-0716 Brianoshman@aol.com

1st July 2009, 09:57 AM	#28 (permalink)
solarmeter® UV Geek Squad Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,820	Re: SunSport 2021 Meter Reading... What exactly does a capacitor do in the lamp circuit? I know they build up and store and discharge voltage... but what are they for relative to running lamps that affects UV output? __________________ ......................Flashback 2001........................ "One of the 'ORIGINAL' TanToday Gang"

1st July 2009, 11:38 AM	#29 (permalink)
engfant Hall of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,550	Re: SunSport 2021 Meter Reading... consistency I would think. No dimming or power spikes if the bed is powering the caps and the caps are powering the lamps. __________________ Watch the jaw! Don't hit the jaw!

1st July 2009, 12:06 PM	#30 (permalink)
solarmeter® UV Geek Squad Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,820	Re: SunSport 2021 Meter Reading... So there would be no effect on meter readings with "bad" or too-small-mf if the power supply was "perfect"? But when power falls lower the "good" caps would keep output up... at least for a short time until they discharged their stored extra voltage? Is that right or wrong? And if voltage increased above "perfect" the caps would keep storing extra V for later use? So meter readings would not go up? __________________ ......................Flashback 2001........................ "One of the 'ORIGINAL' TanToday Gang"

1st July 2009, 01:00 PM	#31 (permalink)
unity Super Star Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 976	Re: SunSport 2021 Meter Reading... Beats me. Where can I get such caps. Do they have to be 660v or can they be as low as the 308v that the lamps run at. __________________ “There is only so much logical space in our universe,” Binette said. “Think of it like a Chinese take-out box stuffed with Kung-Pao Shrimp. The more shrimp you stuff in, some shrimp pop out the bottom."

10th July 2009, 02:58 PM	#32 (permalink)
Drew Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,349	Re: SunSport 2021 Meter Reading... PER SIDE.....dru on that bed would be just 800. over 500 for VHR units ....800 is a bit low for hp....900 would be a good target. We used to do 1 hour sessions on 818's putting out 85 on the body...so a dru of 2350 apx per side. Tanned real well if I do say so myself. My 2021s with new lamps will only put out about 100 at the body. remember the Mattress is NOT THE BODY..have the meter at belly button height for average tanner. Fat people get more color. Also, the meter won't read the side banks of lamps..but there is a good amount of light (photons) hitting you from those sides too that the meter misses. 210 incoming volts is great. The most important number for you is WHAT IS THE METER READING at the Acrylic. Push the meter right up to the acrylic and find the BEST NUMBER for each lamp. This number should be between 155-175 with new Supra's in it. if you are not getting this...or you get this on some lamps but others are at 130..then you have either some low outputting ballasts or some tired capacitors. Make sure the "back reflector" the removable part to replace lamps isn't fried. A dull, or scaley reflector back is easy to fix and ads a bunch more output per lamp. __________________ The only city with a decent burrito. San Diego, Ca.

10th July 2009, 03:27 PM	#33 (permalink)
unity Super Star Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 976	Re: SunSport 2021 Meter Reading... Thanks again Drew. I just checked at 13 minutes in on a session. All lamps at glass, remember my acrylics are MIA, are reading 133 to 135. I was surprised by how close they all came in at. This includes new and old lamps. I have all new down the center and on some sides. So it seems I am coming in a little short. __________________ “There is only so much logical space in our universe,” Binette said. “Think of it like a Chinese take-out box stuffed with Kung-Pao Shrimp. The more shrimp you stuff in, some shrimp pop out the bottom."

10th July 2009, 03:27 PM	#34 (permalink)
unity Super Star Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 976	Re: SunSport 2021 Meter Reading... Oh, and I am missing the 2 mic caps.... __________________ “There is only so much logical space in our universe,” Binette said. “Think of it like a Chinese take-out box stuffed with Kung-Pao Shrimp. The more shrimp you stuff in, some shrimp pop out the bottom."

11th July 2009, 01:22 PM	#35 (permalink)
unity Super Star Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 976	Re: SunSport 2021 Meter Reading... I can get the covers for the back of the lamps chrome dipped. Good idea? Heck, I can get all the reflectors chrome dipped - but it would be a pain to remove all that stuff. __________________ “There is only so much logical space in our universe,” Binette said. “Think of it like a Chinese take-out box stuffed with Kung-Pao Shrimp. The more shrimp you stuff in, some shrimp pop out the bottom."

11th July 2009, 02:53 PM	#36 (permalink)
kpowr82 Hall of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,041	Re: SunSport 2021 Meter Reading... How does chrome hold up to all that heat? I think you're better suited getting them ceramic coated (chrome like finish but heat resistant to like 1500 degrees or something). Unless you're kidding... Also, putting in caps that are too small mf will burn your ballasts. Trust me, I know. It may only happen to 1 or 2 ballast on that circuit though. Nothing is scarier than when you smell an electrical fire in your salon. It takes a couple days to air out that smell too. Keeps everyone scared.

11th July 2009, 03:31 PM	#37 (permalink)
unity Super Star Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 976	Re: SunSport 2021 Meter Reading... What I do not get is if the bed needs 32 caps, why did it come with 30? __________________ “There is only so much logical space in our universe,” Binette said. “Think of it like a Chinese take-out box stuffed with Kung-Pao Shrimp. The more shrimp you stuff in, some shrimp pop out the bottom."

11th July 2009, 03:38 PM	#38 (permalink)
kpowr82 Hall of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,041	Re: SunSport 2021 Meter Reading... Oh, sorry, I mis-read. I didn't know you were missing 2 caps.

11th July 2009, 03:42 PM	#39 (permalink)
unity Super Star Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 976	Re: SunSport 2021 Meter Reading... Ya, the "small ones" on top the bigger ones. Whats up with that. Oh well.... lol Heck, the price of the bed is right. If I have to run it at 30 minutes, no biggie. __________________ “There is only so much logical space in our universe,” Binette said. “Think of it like a Chinese take-out box stuffed with Kung-Pao Shrimp. The more shrimp you stuff in, some shrimp pop out the bottom."

12th July 2009, 09:04 AM	#40 (permalink)
solarmeter® UV Geek Squad Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,820	Re: SunSport 2021 Meter Reading... Meters read 10 points higher when conservative republicans use them. It's not the bed's fault... __________________ ......................Flashback 2001........................ "One of the 'ORIGINAL' TanToday Gang"

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