The King

[imported_PacificSun]

"The only thing I'd add is that the watts that equipment labeling and sales literature are talking about is the electrical power that is delivered to the lamps. This is different than the irradiance of the energy that is received by the skin or by a detector."

Thank you for that clarification!

[stan@sunsys]

Now that you understand that, there's one more type of measurement. And that is the "Watts" that is sometimes referred to when talking about the flux, radiant flux, or UV flux. If I can do this without butchering it. Those watts are the total amount of radiometric (for UV light) photon energy that is emitted from the lamps, and is measured by using a different kind of detector than a handheld radiometer like Steve makes or a spectroradiometer that Don uses. Spectral flux will tell you how much energy is emitted at specific wavelengths or bandwidths such as "UVA" or "UVB".

This unit of measurement is simply Watts, or Watts times seconds (joule), and can sometimes give you an idea of how efficiently a lamp produces those photons, or light. That is to say, a 1000W lamp will NOT produce 1000 watts of UV energy. Obviously some of it is "wasted" on visible energy, and some of the electrical watts that are inputted to that lamp are converted to infrared (heat) energy. And even then, some of the infrared is radiant energy carried away by the long infrared electromagnetic waves, and some if lost to conduction through the physical transfer within the material of the lamp body itself.

An "efficient" tanning lamp, whether it's HP or LP, will convert those watts of electrical energy into as many appropriate UV watts of photon energy as possible, and will produce less of the unnecessary visible and infrared watts than a less efficient tanning lamp.

So since you opened up that can of worms, there it is.

[imported_PacificSun]

very educational!

[Roger Brown]

The cofiguration of the system related to the Tt is what will actually control the tan. Granted, in many cases some systems require more wattage to tan. Some other systems are capable of the same job with less wattage and design factors. Watts can get pretty expensive, especially if they are not needed to comply with the results. Over a years period of time, depending on the system usage, cost of wattage can mount to over thousands dollars of funds that could be used wlsewhere.

Wattage also is correlated directly with increased heat, which is not desired or requuired in some cases, to obtian the tannig factor. Just the opposite, heat causes faster deteriation of lamp life in HP as well as HO & VHO or any electrical circuit.

The optimal solution is to obtain the best output with the minimal amount of lamp wattage, electrical use (watts), inadvertently increasing lamp life and comfort with a great tan.

I think that Don can attest to this also.

[imported_Peter]

"The optimal solution is to obtain the best output with the minimal amount of lamp wattage, electrical use (watts), inadvertently increasing lamp life and comfort with a great tan."

Agreed, many of the HP units still out there use the older Horizontral wire lead technology with old reflector styles. There is a reason these old technology units require a 125-150 amp breakers. They are not as effecient as they should be and are POWER SUCKERS and heat producers..

Better off with a 600W-800W vertical lamp and parabolic reflector that will give the same tanning results as a 1200W or 1500W Horizontal wire lead lamp with old school reflectors. Lower AC costs with half the power consumption. Also half the time for a lamp change to boot.

Makes you wonder, WHY is the KING and 636 being spammed again ??.
New bed - old technology!!.

[Roger Brown]

How about obtaining shorter Tt times with only a couple of 400W lamps in a new designed cassette and extending the Te times? This design was developed at the end of last year and awaits the patents. Should be new and exciting. These casettes are in the new HID/hp lines. Ask Don to send you the charts. I will try to get them to Jim so he can post them.

[Miraclesun]

We currently use the parabolic reflector, and vertical lamp in our Miracle Sun line of HP. The Sun Italia line of HP has been tested with parabolic reflectors, and this did not perform as we expected. As explained before we use the higher wattage lamps because it performs better with our triac board. This feature allows 55 different power settings for the salon owner, and 8 different levels for the tanning customer. But I guess that's why we have sold over 400 hp beds in the last 1 1/2. I would probably guess that no other company has done that?? I guess we better stay with what's already proven. How's this for spam, we are back ordered until late February, and on pace to blow last years sales out of the water. And don't forget, we still guaranty 1000 hours of lamp life, how do we do that with all that heat?? hmmm


Kindest Regards,

Al Reasonover
CEO

Miracle Sun
2020 Elkhart rd. #F
Goshen, IN 46526
1-800-449-9826
Fax (574)537-9333
miraclesun.net

[Cove]

Miracle sun: question for you. The sales rep here in Canada says the minimum size room for this unit should be same as Magic, 9x9 room as the two units have the same footprint. He says you could fit it in a 7x11 room but doesn't recoment it. I'm trying to picture that giant squashed into my base bed room and just can't see it fitting with any comfort. 7x8 acording to your website.

[Miraclesun]

This could fit the King in a 7'x11', however, the King would need to be either all the way to the right side, or left side of the room. This means the door would need to be opposite side of the tanning unit. Unless you have a pocket door. The unit itself is 65" deep, and add another 2" away from the wall = 67". So if your room is 7' (84") this will leave you roughly 17" between the wall, and the bed. Yes this is tight, but could be done.

Al

[Millhouse]

AL,

Surprised your website www.miraclesun.net does not show the Magic 636, only the King and the Saturn.

[Natureboy]

That's good, because I have two rooms in one salon with 818's in them. Both in 7x11.5 rooms. Can't fit Magic's in there like my other salon, but the "King" may work well.

James

[Miraclesun]

Millhouse,
The web site advertising was done intentionally. We have two different Corporate offices. As you see on the www.SunItalia.com site, we offer three high pressure units, and not the Saturn. On the www.Miraclesun.net web site we offer just the two hp units. This decision was based on being able to focus on handling the customer's satisfaction properly. The Sun Italia office is much larger, and able to staff more employees therefore gets a heavier work load. You also may have noticed that the www.MiracleMist.US web site handles just the sunless unit, and does not ring into the Miracle Sun office. But this doesn't mean I can't sell you a Magic 636, or a Miracle Mist.

Al

[Roger Brown]

Al:

GOOD job. I have heard good things form Tim Luff about your systems. We had cleints intrested in the booth prior to getting it built.

Question: How did you get around the timer issue with the variations in the session scheduling? I would like to know because of the new Prismatic Pendentive has the capability of innerchanging lamps easily. It appears that the power board has the option of changing connections for output options.

[Miraclesun]

Roger,
This is truly a unique system. Especially how this allows us to get 1000 hours from an hp lamp. So compared to most competitors, they will have to relamp 2-3 times before we relamp once. When the unit was tested, we had to have all the settings programmed at it's highest level. What's cool about our unit is that when you lower the power settings, the UVB stays the same. I hope this answers your question.


Kindest Regards,

Al Reasonover
CEO

Miracle Sun
2020 Elkhart rd. #F
Goshen, IN 46526
1-800-449-9826
Fax (574)537-9333
miraclesun.net

[Roger Brown]

Al:

We achieved the lamp life utiizing a lesser expensive lamp combination with the new design. Don Smith tested the Pendentive design and found that the output was near 75% of the original lamp life on a unit that had been ran consistantly for over 400 hours straight. This si where the industry need ot go. I am glad to see that yo also have the salon owner's best interest at hand.

It sounds as though the KING is designed with a set of wiring circuits (tap transformer control circuits) that will allow the unit to have the input voltage either increased of decrease (automatically varing output strength by the voltage factor). This would allow the "UVB" to remain constantly the same, except for dosage output that would be directly controlled by output power. This would elliminate the concerned of the "B" staying within the 10% factor rrequired by FDA, almost. Slick idea...more or less tanning to the cleint depending on input voltage settings and still meeting the FDA's criteria.

Was this your idea???

[Miraclesun]

Roger,

Both Magic, Sunsport and King come with it's own transformer. They are all similar, the incoming side has taps of 208v/240v, and the secondary side has taps of 308v/400v. When you do the testing for he FDA you must have the voltage also set on the highest tap. I hope this answers your question.



Kindest Regards,

Al Reasonover
CEO

Miracle Sun
2020 Elkhart rd. #F
Goshen, IN 46526
1-800-449-9826
Fax (574)537-9333
miraclesun.net

[Roger Brown]

Al:

That is what I thought it was. Thanks

Good TO trade notes with you, again.