Why would you add HP ?

[phattmatt]

Why would you possibly add high pressure tanning to your salon?

A question for those that do and do not have this type of equipment.

Any lurkers have any thoughts to share?

[Jim Fisher]

Just another avenue to make money.. No salon should be without one.. Low on Amps.. Get a Mattress style

[TANDALLAS]

Sorry I have the beds but have an opinion I would like to share. I have severial HP beds. Yes it is an avenue for another level of tanning at your salon, but the results of these beds speak for themselves. It is a great selling point for your level 1 and level 2 tanners all the way to the Bronze Gods. It takes around three sessions to get a base tan then about 2-4 times per month to maintain you deep dark tan. The beds are costly, but so are the sessions on them( which makes you more money in sessions, monthly or yearly); however you sell it. I paid my first bed off in about three months which is a very fast number for a $35,000 investment. We got lucky with our first bed, then the second took about 7 months to pay off. This bed has been a great money maker, and I highly recomend it.. Here is a selling point to a tanner: think if there were two twins that tanned here and one twin tanned 3-4 times per week in my base bed with around 5% UVB and the other twin tanned 4 times a month and they both had the same amount of color which one do you think is saving their skin? A bed with almost no burning ray .01% Theses are just some of my thoughts hope they can help you out. Good Luck.
P.S. What brand of beds are you looking at?

[Natureboy]

I would have gotton out of this long ago if it wasn't for HP. Those that don't have it have no idea how much $$ they could really make.


My first store before I had it, I thought a $300 day was Ok. And that is when I worked 50 shift hours a week to help out expenses. Now $3000 in a day is not out of the question after I added it and only work the odd shift behind the counter (because I enjoy it, not because I need to).

When all my HP beds are buzzing no-stop all day at any of my locations, I could care less who is tanning in the regular and VHR beds (not really, but you get what I mean). They are like a business on to their own in the salon.

-James

[Suntan4fun]

My Competitor is expanding, and she carries the same equipment as I do. She copycats my every move, so I decided I would order a Magic 636, cause I know she can't afford it! I will be the only salon with a Hp in 40 miles, I can't wait till it arrives! 6 weeks and counting! I am so excited about this bed! This bed just makes you go WOW!
Tonya

[phattmatt]

Lets see what Monday readers might post before I continue this thread........

[frankie]

Good move Tonya.

[John]

TANDALLAS,

which one do you think is saving their skin? A bed with almost no burning ray .01%

Actually the HP bed could be worse, if it emmits large amounts of UVA², they would be better off tanning in a VHOR unit that has a 9K90 or similar lamp.

UVA² is the major cause of ageing, it breaks down the elastin, which in turn shows wrinkles.

[Ezliving_Jim]

John, is it the lamp or the filter glass that controls UVA²?

Which HP units, have the best lamp/filter glass combinations?

[John]

Jim,

Most Hp lamps emit UVA, UVB & little UVC. (European lamps emit more UVC)

The Filter, at this time, is the most important part!

Filters can be designed to do many things, Block all UVC, most UVB & some UVA², while letting all the good stuff to pass!

Which HP units, have the best lamp/filter glass combinations

There are some advances being made now in HP that will smoke everything you know about HP. There are companies that are actually going to design HP lamps to emit a certain spectral irradience to mimic what the Filter glass is allowing to pass, you will then have more available photons for tanning & less wasted!!! So the lamp will perfectly match the glass!
-Good for manufacturers, they get to lock you in on a replacement.
-Good for salons, they will get a more efficient tanning machine.

This application can obviously only be done on new equipment.

Can it happen? We will have to wait N-C

[phattmatt]

Well, not all of your customers have the time to tan 3-4 times a week which is suggested to maintain ones low pressure 100w tan.

Not all of your customers have the patience to take a 20 minute session out of there day to maintain there 100w low pressure tan.

Some of your customers need a lot of color now, not 3 weeks from now since they have very little color.

Some of your customers have more money then you think and like to invest in what they think will better suite there tanning needs.

Just think if your equipment could tan them quicker, with less burning and not have to come in all the time.

Wouldn't you rather have (especially in season) $35 for a walk in visit instead of $7 ?

Wouldn't you like to take $200 on a package of 10 session instead of 14 for $50?

[phattmatt]

Anybody have some cons before I share them with ya?

[TANDALLAS]

Fist of all if a HP session sells for $7.00 you have no product integrity and no sales ability! Period. Tanning is a vanity item! A look good and feel good business. You are selling an intangible object that people can get for free outside. Who cares if it is 3-4 times per week or 2 times? Are you creating the market, or are they? Are they selling you, or are you supposed to be selling them? The beds are expensive, the lamps are expensive, and the power the bed takes cost a lot? Do they math! If they cant afford the session, then maybe they should not be in your salon? Do you want window shoppers or buyers? Think of it this way; when you are in a department store and a sales person ask you if you are ok, what do you say. NO I AM FINE, JUST LOOKING AROUND. NOW A SMART SALESPERSON WOULD ASK YOU THE QUESTION THIS WAY: HELLO WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR SO I CAN HELP YOU FIND IT. If you cannot do this or are afraid to sell find another business to get into like Customer Service. The product is what you make of it. You can tell them the uva2, uvb; this is all garbage to the average tanner. Before you owned a salon would this not sound like garbage to you? Sell results and the product will sell...IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME...LOL...GOOD LUCK

[phattmatt]

Now some of the cons to bringing in High Pressure equipment that some distributors/manufacturere's "forget" to advise or tell you about.

Sometimes making money off the salon owner purchasing High Pressure equipment for the first time is more important then letting them know everything that is needed before signing that 1st HP purchase.


1)Electrical, needs to be upgraded = most small tanning salons with only low pressure equipment only have a 200amp service.

2)Air conditioning, needs to be increased = most small salons with only low pressure equipment only have a 4 ton unit.

3)Bigger rooms are also needed for High Pressure equipment, most won't fit into a 8x8 room unless it is a Vertical high pressure unit.

4)Advertising it also cost money, just because it is in your salon doesn't automatically make you tons of money.

5)Educating yourself as well as your staff is crucial to a sucsessful and extremely profitable high pressure tanning machine. Without education your monthly $1,000 lease payment on your first piece of HP will be incredible hard to make.

[TANDALLAS]

Phattmatt-

You got that right. The first HP unit I purchased I had to spend another $3,000.00 for upgraded electrical. Then spent More money to vent it out the roof. Also I had to have a double buck booster. One for each leg of power. By the time I got it all said and done I had spent $40,000. Crap I should be driving that damn thing. It works though. My tanners love it, and it stays busy all day long. A workhorse! It makes the Money!
What type of HP do you have?

[phattmatt]

T D ,


We have an Ultrabronz 818, TQ-50 vertical from Tanses and the new 360 Entropy as well.


which ones and how many do you have ?

[Nitrox]

phat matt,
Please pm for info on entropy.