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dcjjp2 · 4th May 2005, 10:22 AM

This is the reason that I like these boards, The search for the perfect fit for a HP is daunting. I am in by no means a huge rush for it anyway, but I do appreciate all of the comments about the equipment that I had mentioned. I will be checking out a Magic/King and the Tanses (when I am in Montreal next month) and the P90 next week when I am in San Francisco next weekend.

Father Tan · 4th May 2005, 02:07 PM

"Yeah, right. With it's .03% glass and lamps a mile away from you"

HUH????

The Tanses unit meters in the 150's with a 5.0 meter from the bench pointing up. Who cares what the distance is with those numbers. The glass passes a little over 1% UVB with a total output in the 150 range. Where do you get .03% uvb????????????????????????.

Not liking the look of the Tanses unit is one thing. As far as technology is concerned it is the most advanced HP unit in our industry. The Tanses unit uses Glass reflectors to reduce heat versus old tin can style reflectors that most other HP beds use. Then throw in verticle plug in lamps for quick lamp changes and it makes the unit hard to beat from a technical stand point.

Matthew · 4th May 2005, 02:23 PM

"Not liking the look of the Tanses unit is one thing." Does anyone?

I have yet to see one client give a rats as* about the "technical stand point".

Looks yes, technical...never

sparky · 4th May 2005, 03:03 PM

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As far as technology is concerned it is the most advanced HP unit in our industry. The Tanses unit uses Glass reflectors to reduce heat versus old tin can style reflectors that most other HP beds use

Don't think so over the WHOLE canopy.

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Hereaus Glass reflectors on the FACE, diffuser type (read 'tin can' stamped metal) on the rest of the body

taken directly from their sales literature, and visual inspection at the last trade shows.

The Entropy, on the other hand, does use Hereaus Glass reflectors throughout the complete bed.

Tundra · 4th May 2005, 03:50 PM

No I do not sell them but I have tanned and "played" with them.

The bed mentioned above is more aggresive than .03 and the proximity of canopy to tanner is closer than that Magic.
Apples and Oranges though

As far as looks go, I learned that looks dont mean that much. Me personally I would rather own and tan in the better looking bed but unless it performs as good as the BQ Deluxe than dont even bother with the better looking bed.
IF you dont think that Tanses Combi can make you as much money or more as the new Ergo combi your crazy.

Brian Oshman · 4th May 2005, 03:58 PM

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I personally would not want to run on single phase. If I remember correctly, it will not be near as efficient as 3 phase.

It makes zero difference in performance whether the bed is single or three phase. All components are single phase in the unit. Three phase efficiency only comes into play with three phase motors as it increases torque and reduces consumption but this does not apply to tanning beds so we can bury that myth right now.

All tanning beds can be converted to operate on single or three phase.

If you are strapped for power, opt for an HP unit that incorporates the use of radial mount lamps (plug in vertical for those that use the incorrect term) with parabolic reflectors as these units usually use lamps in the 400W to 500W range as compared to axial mount wire lead lamps (horizontal lamps) that operate at 1000W or more.

Choosing a mattress type will save even more power since it will have half the lamps of a 360° unit and will require less A/C to cool it. More A/C needs power too. Don't forget to include that in your equation.

dcjjp2 · 5th May 2005, 12:38 PM

Brian,

With that being said, in your opinion with the electrical constraints in which I have and the room dimensions are 9X9.5 that I have left to use. What would you use if it had been your salon? Lets keep ourselves on a 35K budget (I just think 40K and up is just silly, I can use another BMW for that $$$)

Mr.Nice Guy · 5th May 2005, 02:05 PM

The King!

dcjjp2 · 5th May 2005, 03:24 PM

The King will fit into the room, but is it avail in single??? I am waiting for someone from Tantech to call me with specifics. Also what is the draw of that unit? Rep didn't know.... Not too encouraging.

Natureboy · 5th May 2005, 09:19 PM

They may have changed the Entropy from when it first came out. I thought it was the .03 glass like in the Q-60 stand up.

Brian, would a "single phase" bed use more energy trying to generate the same amount of output as a "three phase" bed? I was talking energy consumption if say a "King" was set-up as single and beside it the same bed set up as 3 phase?

Miraclesun · 7th May 2005, 01:09 AM

The King would draw around 110 amps at single phase on 208v incoming. It would need to be a special order for single phase, and would take about 8 weeks after the order was place. I think we should have one 3 phase left in stock. Next container arrives in 10 days.

Thanks,
Al

dcjjp2 · 7th May 2005, 01:21 PM

Thanks Al, I would be looking to purchase in the next few months anyway. I have to see from my electrician (on vacation) just how much power I have left to use in the store. That particular room is already in use (Sunstorm) It has 60 amps in there so I will have to have more run into that room.

This may sound like a stupid question but if there are other rooms that aren't being used that are already wired for 60's and 30's can that "power" be rerouted to the the room I am planning on using without bringing in more power from the outside???

Tundra · 7th May 2005, 01:37 PM

Natureboy · 8th May 2005, 08:34 PM

110 amps? on single phase. Then I am correct. It would only pull maybe 90 on three phase I would think.

Miraclesun · 9th May 2005, 04:18 PM

Ok, I just tested the King's volts, and running amps at the electrical panel.

3 phase
1 leg 69 amps L1/L2 = 208 V, 118 to gr.
1 leg 58 amps L1/L3 = 209 V, 121 to gr.
1 leg 61 amps L2/L3 = 211 V, 119 to gr.

Hope this helps.

Al

UVRays · 18th May 2005, 09:01 PM

The technology in the Entropy is really sweet. Have to give credit where it's due.

While I do not like the looks (seems most don't)...it's an awesome machine and you have to appreciate the engineering.

However the Magic has the Sex appeal and the power and clients Want to tan in it.
You get it all with the Magic.

Natureboy · 19th May 2005, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UVRays

However the Magic has the Sex appeal and the power and clients Want to tan in it.
You get it all with the Magic.

Exactly. That is what sells, so why not have it all.

Toronto · 5th June 2005, 06:28 PM

If the power is there the power is there. You would need a bigger wire to the hp room and a bigger breaker or a seperate box but you can definetly take the power.

Toronto · 5th June 2005, 06:31 PM

I have to disagree with the entropy being the most advanced tanning unit out there. Lamp adjustablity of the magic has to count for something. 1000 hour lamp changes are sweet about the magic. While the heraus reflectors are nice the entropy is not hands down the most advanced HP bed.

dcjjp2 · 6th June 2005, 01:48 PM

I talked to an electrican client and asked him what I have to do and Toronto, you are correct, I just need to rewire that particular room with a "bigger" wire and breakers as I have MORE than enough power to fire up the unit.

I believe we are going with the King from Miracle Sun. I really like the looks so far, I need to tan in it obviously, but so far this seems to be the contender.

Anyone have one??? Talk to me.

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Mr.Nice Guy Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 494	*The King!* __________________ Feel The Burn!!!!!

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Natureboy Moderator Security Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Canada, just north of 50 Posts: 2,902	They may have changed the Entropy from when it first came out. I thought it was the .03 glass like in the Q-60 stand up. Brian, would a "single phase" bed use more energy trying to generate the same amount of output as a "three phase" bed? I was talking energy consumption if say a "King" was set-up as single and beside it the same bed set up as 3 phase? __________________ Original Tantoday Class of 2000! Tellin' it like it is. www.millenniumtan.com

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Tundra All Star Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 66	Yes

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Natureboy Moderator Security Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Canada, just north of 50 Posts: 2,902	110 amps? on single phase. Then I am correct. It would only pull maybe 90 on three phase I would think. __________________ Original Tantoday Class of 2000! Tellin' it like it is. www.millenniumtan.com

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4th May 2005, 10:22 AM	#21 (permalink)
dcjjp2 Super Star Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Washington D.C. Posts: 828	This is the reason that I like these boards, The search for the perfect fit for a HP is daunting. I am in by no means a huge rush for it anyway, but I do appreciate all of the comments about the equipment that I had mentioned. I will be checking out a Magic/King and the Tanses (when I am in Montreal next month) and the P90 next week when I am in San Francisco next weekend.

4th May 2005, 02:07 PM	#22 (permalink)
Father Tan Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 47	"Yeah, right. With it's .03% glass and lamps a mile away from you" HUH???? The Tanses unit meters in the 150's with a 5.0 meter from the bench pointing up. Who cares what the distance is with those numbers. The glass passes a little over 1% UVB with a total output in the 150 range. Where do you get .03% uvb????????????????????????. Not liking the look of the Tanses unit is one thing. As far as technology is concerned it is the most advanced HP unit in our industry. The Tanses unit uses Glass reflectors to reduce heat versus old tin can style reflectors that most other HP beds use. Then throw in verticle plug in lamps for quick lamp changes and it makes the unit hard to beat from a technical stand point.

4th May 2005, 02:23 PM	#23 (permalink)
Matthew Will work for beer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: South of Alaska Posts: 357	"Not liking the look of the Tanses unit is one thing." Does anyone? I have yet to see one client give a rats as* about the "technical stand point". Looks yes, technical...never

4th May 2005, 03:50 PM	#25 (permalink)
Tundra All Star Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 66	No I do not sell them but I have tanned and "played" with them. The bed mentioned above is more aggresive than .03 and the proximity of canopy to tanner is closer than that Magic. Apples and Oranges though As far as looks go, I learned that looks dont mean that much. Me personally I would rather own and tan in the better looking bed but unless it performs as good as the BQ Deluxe than dont even bother with the better looking bed. IF you dont think that Tanses Combi can make you as much money or more as the new Ergo combi your crazy.

5th May 2005, 12:38 PM	#27 (permalink)
dcjjp2 Super Star Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Washington D.C. Posts: 828	Brian, With that being said, in your opinion with the electrical constraints in which I have and the room dimensions are 9X9.5 that I have left to use. What would you use if it had been your salon? Lets keep ourselves on a 35K budget (I just think 40K and up is just silly, I can use another BMW for that $$$)

5th May 2005, 03:24 PM	#29 (permalink)
dcjjp2 Super Star Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Washington D.C. Posts: 828	The King will fit into the room, but is it avail in single??? I am waiting for someone from Tantech to call me with specifics. Also what is the draw of that unit? Rep didn't know.... Not too encouraging.

7th May 2005, 01:09 AM	#31 (permalink)
Miraclesun VENDOR Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 385	The King would draw around 110 amps at single phase on 208v incoming. It would need to be a special order for single phase, and would take about 8 weeks after the order was place. I think we should have one 3 phase left in stock. Next container arrives in 10 days. Thanks, Al

7th May 2005, 01:21 PM	#32 (permalink)
dcjjp2 Super Star Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Washington D.C. Posts: 828	Thanks Al, I would be looking to purchase in the next few months anyway. I have to see from my electrician (on vacation) just how much power I have left to use in the store. That particular room is already in use (Sunstorm) It has 60 amps in there so I will have to have more run into that room. This may sound like a stupid question but if there are other rooms that aren't being used that are already wired for 60's and 30's can that "power" be rerouted to the the room I am planning on using without bringing in more power from the outside???

9th May 2005, 04:18 PM	#35 (permalink)
Miraclesun VENDOR Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 385	Ok, I just tested the King's volts, and running amps at the electrical panel. 3 phase 1 leg 69 amps L1/L2 = 208 V, 118 to gr. 1 leg 58 amps L1/L3 = 209 V, 121 to gr. 1 leg 61 amps L2/L3 = 211 V, 119 to gr. Hope this helps. Al

18th May 2005, 09:01 PM	#36 (permalink)
UVRays Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New York Posts: 256	The technology in the Entropy is really sweet. Have to give credit where it's due. While I do not like the looks (seems most don't)...it's an awesome machine and you have to appreciate the engineering. However the Magic has the Sex appeal and the power and clients Want to tan in it. You get it all with the Magic.

5th June 2005, 06:28 PM	#38 (permalink)
Toronto All Star Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 228	If the power is there the power is there. You would need a bigger wire to the hp room and a bigger breaker or a seperate box but you can definetly take the power.

5th June 2005, 06:31 PM	#39 (permalink)
Toronto All Star Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 228	I have to disagree with the entropy being the most advanced tanning unit out there. Lamp adjustablity of the magic has to count for something. 1000 hour lamp changes are sweet about the magic. While the heraus reflectors are nice the entropy is not hands down the most advanced HP bed.

6th June 2005, 01:48 PM	#40 (permalink)
dcjjp2 Super Star Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Washington D.C. Posts: 828	I talked to an electrican client and asked him what I have to do and Toronto, you are correct, I just need to rewire that particular room with a "bigger" wire and breakers as I have MORE than enough power to fire up the unit. I believe we are going with the King from Miracle Sun. I really like the looks so far, I need to tan in it obviously, but so far this seems to be the contender. Anyone have one??? Talk to me.