Intelligent Tanning Systems Stand Up HP UNIT

[Jim Fisher]

This unit will be at the Vegas show

[dcjjp2]

Any specs on this unit... I just saw a pic in Todays Image..

[imported_movieking]

Any idea what the cost will be?

[Jake]

Looks like they are using the same molds for the top and bottom of the unit that they use for thier spray booth. These guys have never made a tanning bed before, HP is the most difficult. It will be interesting to see what they came up with thats for sure.

[John]

The Varius HP unit by Heraeus is pretty impressive. I have done some test on it & can tell you that it will tan like a mother.

They are most likely run at 180-200 watts each, But they put out like a 600-800W lamp would! They use the glass reflector which lets IR out the back, & all the UV to push out the front! Each unit is about 4" in diameter, the lamp l

As for not needing any addition A/C or exhaust, I find that hard to believe.

And for the life being rated at 1000 hrs, I say good luck on that, with horizontal base position you will most likely get 600-700 max hrs. With the base in verticle -base Up postion it will last much longer, 900-1000 hrs.

I am looking forward to seeing this unit & also the RoyalSun UV-ScanR unit which is a 360° laydown, using the same technology, they also having moving parts! Which I am not a fan of.

[Brian Oshman]

I agree with you on the A/C thing too. With this unit aproaching 7000 watts there is no way it will stay cool without at least 1 ton of air and some sort of exhausting, even if it is indirect exhausting. No A/C needed would imply at or close to 100% efficiency and that is not going to be the case with any HP unit.

The lamps may be impressive for close proximity facial use in beds but the output in this configuration will be pin spot at best. I am still a fan of high power high consumption HP lamps as opposed to low power focused array high B glass setups as the A output suffers due to low power.

What kind of numbers are you getting with these lamps John? What kind of output do they broadcast when you back away from them?

Do you have numbers?

[solarmeter®]

Numbers?

Maybe 80 mW/cm² on a 5.0 Solarmeter.....

But maybe 160 on this IST meter?



I'll try to see what they both read at Vegas. Maybe both will read the same ~100 mW/cm²...... at 12.5cm from center of booth (at lamps or between lamps?).

[John]

[Toronto]

Best HP thread I've read in a while thanks to John and Brian.

Duh what should I get Matrix or magic has been done to death.

My two cents thrown in amongst the smart people talking. I would never have bought an HP unit from ETS. WHY? High pressure is a whole lot of headaches and it takes a while to learn how to correctly manufacture and import these beasts to the North American Market. However to give ETS some deserved credit. They do have a lot of cash to throw at problems. While they may not be able to fix them( Wht happened to the vertical lamp vortex...read "Chronos with a K" bed. They recalled them. No small company could have done what ETS did. So buying from someone else could have been worse. What ever happened to Black Sun. Who do you call when you need parts. With my SunSports i have never been down more then a day same for my Magic. Technical support from a good company is priceless. HP BEDS GO DOWN. That is a fact.

I said a few years ago the inlux of HP beds in the last couple of yrs is scarry. Every Tom Dick and Harry is elling them. Tom Dick and Harry don't know how to support these thermonuclear tanning ddevices and they especially don't know how to market and train salon owners. If you are about to make your first leap into HP I would be careful about who you choose to do biz with. Unless you happen to have Brian Oshman down the street for you then I'd buy anything cause Brian is one smart SOB. naw just kidding if Brian can't find parts he can't fix it.

I am so smart S-M-R-T...I mean S-M-A-R-T.

[John]

In the above picture you can see the 2 piece Varius unit, The lamp, base & wire harness are all one piece. This is what you would be sold as a replacement.

Actually they are designed to work optimal at about 14"- 16" away from the client. They put out a pretty decent beam spread & when positioned properly in this type of unit they won't have any problems giving good color & an even tan.

Brian, I am sure that you are familiar with our Sunsource line of beds, we tried to introduce the Varius into this unit, but at 4" away from the face these Varius units were way too strong. They metered 130-136 on the 5.0 HP meter, however the session time was really short, about 4 minutes. (They have since toned the filters down on UVB output, but they still can easily meter well over 100). At the distance we wanted to include this, it can't happen in our bed. We only ran it on a 180W Choke.

Now UWE has included this as the shoulder tanner in the P90, great application, these will be shoulder tanners that actually work!

[John]

Alpha Sun has introduced this unit last year in Orlando, Not sure how many units are in operation, but as you can see they use the Varius for facials, 8 total!



Royal Sun introduced the proto-type of this in Orlando last year, This year I believe you will be able to tan on it in Vegas. This unit uses something like 70 Varius units, top & bottom sway back & forth!

[solarmeter®]

John,

I want one of those Varius things as a table top cassette.... but it has to plug into wall outlet 110V. Can that be made to work somehow? I'll buy one from you at Vegas if you have one.

Steve

[dcjjp2]

I just called ITS a little while ago and they didn't divulge any info about either their HP unit or their forthcoming LED unit. I have pretty much decided on the King for my unit (finally tanned in it!) and it was amazing. I am intrigued by this new stuff though....

[Toronto]

For 80 mills , you can use a GiantSun. Or my Pegasus from Alpha.

If it can really do those hours and has only 7k power though, it would cost much less to run.

[John]

Granted it will be more efficient than many HP units.

Less wattage = less heat
Less Wattage = less electricity cost

I would like to know the max session time & also the UVB%

[dcjjp2]

Also, I called Royal Sun yesterday and they said they weren't going with that UV Scannr bed. Whatever that means... He told me that they "didn't pick that one up" and they had different options.

[John]

They had it advertised in the mags that it would be available to tan on in Vegas.

[dcjjp2]

I just spoke to Niles @ Am Cam dist and there are 72 of these Varius lamps in the unit to equal @37,000 watts with each being a 250 watt lamp equaling @ over 500 watts with the Varius set up. It sounds interesting and not expensive at all 29K for the 360 unit with an 8 min tan time (possibly making it 10 min) or a Mattress version for @22K with a 16-20 min tan time.

I like the smaller dimensions and the fact of not exhausting it out (I am sure it will be hot as balls in there anyway but I do have 3 tons in that particular room)
It is all steel construction and also available in single phase (ordered)

Does the swaying action really help even the tan?

[John]

Did you happen to ask what the lamp replacement cost would be.

Lets say they are $80.00 a pop

$80 X 72 lamps = $5760.00

That is one hefty lamp change.

Granted the unit will run more efficiently, lower energy cost.

[Jake]

Just curious if any of you think if HP tanning beds start selling for 20K if it will bring down the price over all for HP tanning. If the competition is getting 1000 hours on the lamps and only paid 20K don't you think they will be asking less? How will this effect the market for HP?