This isn't a HP bed dummies.

[Drew]

Continuous confusion from the dumb tanning salons who say their Ergoline vhr bed is a HIGH PRESSURE BED.

It ISN"T , it only has hp facials. (same is true for a 650,shark or 850 but the hybrids are at least partly hp)

If it has TUBES anywhere in the bed.....it aint a HP bed.


NEXT....The MIRRORED glass of single sheet glass in facials is NOT TRUE HP.

Future Sun, Ergoline, S class etc, with a single mirrored glass hp cassette is a MUCH HIGHER UV-B output. In fact, the facials on the future sun have more uv-b than the tubes do. S class most surely does also.

HIGH B is not HP. Hp is about 2 med's or less per visit. So don't get confused people.

[solarmeter®]

Mori had it nailed 3 years ago: HP on "steroids"... four+ MEDs in 10-12 minutes.

One was sooo strong it had to be pulled from market. Like 7 minutes to 4 MEDs. Lotsa fun for monster 6.0 and 7.0 meter readings..... but not what most HP customers want.

[Natureboy]

Quote "If it has TUBES anywhere in the bed.....it aint a HP bed."

That is the truth. I hate it when a client comes in and says they tanned in XYZ's high pressure bed (when I know it is an old cheap combo bed with 100 watt lamps mixed in) and they either burnt bad first time and had no results that lasted.

Or worse yet a salon advertising, right on their cheap handout flyer that they have "High Pressure" beds, when all they are is regular beds with HP facials.

[Ziti]

Had a salon open here this past April. Called her Excalibur 'tube' bed HP. She lasted 3 months and the disty that sold the beds came to pick them up.

This girl didn't know the first thing about tanning, she prolly just quoted the disty. He was only interested in selling her, not educating her.

[imported_Dr. U]

NEXT....The MIRRORED glass of single sheet glass in facials is NOT TRUE HP.

Future Sun, Ergoline, S class etc, with a single mirrored glass hp cassette is a MUCH HIGHER UV-B output. In fact, the facials on the future sun have more uv-b than the tubes do. S class most surely does also.

Not true

[solarmeter®]

Dr. Phil U:

What do you mean? They would all have less percent UVB than the tubes do... yes indeed. But they could very well have more amount of UVB than the tubes do.

Or did you mean they ARE TRUE HP? In that case I agree - just not "traditional" SunSport style HP. Depends on the definition of what "true" is... in one's mind.

In my mind... FACIAL HP lamps should always have less percent and amount of UVB than body lamps - be they hybrid tubes OR full high pressure. There used to be a poster named Tara@JA who would never use a bed that didn't have ("normal") HP facials. She needed less B to go along with the increased A for her particular face to avoid burning.

[engfant]

Ahhh I think you have all lost it. High Pressure is based on the type of lamp REGARDLESS of what brick wall is in front of it for a filter. That's like saying a diesel engine isn't a diesel engine cause it doesn't SOUND like one.

I UNDERSTAND that some clueless fools think that HP facials means the bed is HIGH PRESSURE but a HIGH PRESSURE LAMP IS A HIGH PRESSURE LAMP.

Just like there is no MEDIUM PRESSURE lamp.

"They would all have less percent UVB than the tubes do... yes indeed. But they could very well have more amount of UVB than the tubes do."

and THAT'S the trillion dollar statement right there that everyone seems to be forgetting.

A HP lamp with 2% UVB would NOT equal a LP lamp with 2% uvb. It would be more like 5% UVB LP lamp due to OVERALL OUTPUT of the HP lamp is MUCH MORE.

So, the HP beds with <1% UVB BETTER be putting out over 20000 on the 5.0 to get some response out of the tanners skin. Have JUST enough B to get things started and DRENCH the skin in UVA for MAX browning.

But, regardless of the output, HP = HP.

[Drew]

Yes yes yes eggplant, Hp is HP. BUT, and I mean a big ole But......when we sell hp or advertise hp, as we have done now for 11 years...we are selling LOW UV-B and no burning.
"Better for your skin", "Less Drying", "less thickening of the skin" etc.

HP lamps in facial have always had much less uv-b than the tubes. Even the old double 400 watt cassettes in the beds would put out about 60 mills on the face but only 1/4 -1/3 the uv-b. So you tan, not burn, on sensitive facial skin.

Now, the mirrored glass, with just one sheet , will actually give you MORE total uv-b.

The Giant Sun (sungate) got its original 8 min tan time because the FACIALS were 8 mins. The tubes rang in at 10 mins but that got the bed an 8 minute rating anyway.

UV-B on a 6.0 meter was over 2. That is damn HIGH B.

So, yes it is true hp, but no it isn't TRUE HP as advertised and known in our industry as a low uv-b.

If we end up with a bunch of beds with 4 meds and 12 min or less sessions with all hp lamps, we will need a whole new explanation.

HPHP High Performance High Pressure......FTHP Fast Tanning High Pressure.

[engfant]

Yeah I can see that being very irritating. Doesn't seem like the bed makers want to even "go there" and just consider HP to be HP....Well, isn't it kinda like LP high UVB lamps being considered STRONGER or even BRONZER lamps when they are really SUCK lamps?

[solarmeter®]

SUCK lamps? Don't you have any FryBaby customers?

[Drew]

In a training session yesterday, I was using the "stronger" example.


I can easilly convince a customers that they got pink because the bed is STRONGER......even if it is a lousy 24 lamp base bed.

The STRONGEST beds give the least redening. Which seems like an oxymoron at first glance.

It takes decent staff to truly explain Strength of bed in Tanning output and speed of attaining a tan, vs Redening output (meds).

[solarmeter®]

Erythemally stronger would be a 10% B bed reading a woeful 20.0 on a 5.0 meter but 2.00 on a 6.0 meter and 24 on a 7.0 for 10 min Te. A 24 lamp base bed could do that. Ms type 3/4 Frybaby would be happy.... but she is only what - 5% of your customers?

Most folks would prefer much more A with about half as much B. Almost zero B is usually no good..... but around 4-5% on tubes and 0.9-1.3% on HP seems to be nice.