Who makes the best HP Stand Up Booth

[EliteMike]

Well I learned something, a rubberband and a quater can make metering a hell of a lot easier!

I think I can exceed 170 at acrylic actually.

[certan]

Chill out, I will get one on here geeze. My phone takes crappy pictures so I need to get a digital camera..

[certan]

Hey Brian I am curious why your picture shows a meter reading of 171 while all the other post ive seen on here about the magic say its meter readings are about 130.

[EliteMike]

It's called adjustability. 130ish is where the unit is supposed to operate. If you crank the lamps up it will push them harder. Can't do that with yours

[Brian Oshman]

130 is the ideal operating number. This is just to show you that the unit can put out at the bench what you claim yours puts out at the lamp.

Pfff! I can get a Sunvision to put out 150 at the glass.

Just take the pic no matter how $h!tty it is and post it. It has been three days of empty bragging from you and no proof.

Come on, prove us all wrong with that high B Deer Cooker®.

[certan]

At acylic/matress reading




At Lamp Reading

[BIG AL]

You just proved our point. 130 for 12 minutes for the Magic vs.
110 for 10 minutes for the convex. If I just gave you those numbers and no names, which of these two beds would you say was the stronger of the two?

[certan]

First of all thats not a huge difference especially considering those lamps have 838hrs on them.

I happen to think that pulling 110 with 838hrs with only 500 watt lamps while the magic uses a 1200 watt lamp is pretty damm good.

So to answere your questions I would not base my entire purchase on meter readings.

I would base it on price, how comfortable the session is, how easy it is to relamp, how user friendly it is, How much heat it produces, How many more components are there to break over time, the cost of replacing cobalt glass everytime one breaks, the cost of adding 3 phase electricity over single phase. There are lots of factors that should be taken into account before purchasing equipment.

It took be on hour to install my THP and I havent touched it in two years except to relamp or clean it which only takes about 30 min by the way. After over 15 years of carrying HP equipment in my salons these are the things I look for.

Obviously these are only my opinions and people are gonna buy what they want.

[certan]

Originally Posted by solarmeter®

If he only has a 5.0 the percent B and Te cannot be determined.

Need all three for everything:

I would like some prices on the meters though

I have been planning on getting the other two for a while now but just havent done it

I prob need a new 5.0 too its like 10 years old so im sure it needs to be re-calibrated or something.

[EliteMike]

Your opinions don't make any sense. The magic can put out 130 throughout its lamp life, that is the big point! It's not that complicated, a cave man can do it. Most new salons are probably 3 phase, The magic really doesn't produce that much heat with MUG 6, my clients want to feel the heat in there for some reason. I think it adds to the hype that it's the strongest around.

How much does your machine cost?

Now that we have numbers, I'll take my magic any day.

[certan]

Originally Posted by EliteMike

Your opinions don't make any sense. The magic can put out 130 throughout its lamp life, that is the big point! It's not that complicated, a cave man can do it. Most new salons are probably 3 phase, The magic really doesn't produce that much heat with MUG 6, my clients want to feel the heat in there for some reason. I think it adds to the hype that it's the strongest around.

How much does your machine cost?

Now that we have numbers, I'll take my magic any day.

Actually most locations dont already have 3 phase.. They may have it in the center but its still gonna cost you a pretty penny to have it brought into your building and if its not in the center then your talking big bucks.

For a bed thats so simple a cave man could do it you sure did bitch and moan on here about it alot and spend alot of time on the phone with the bed techs trying to get it to work right.

You dont need a bed tech to install the Tanses HP beds and You dont realy need one after that to give you support but they are there if you need them. You also dont have to adjust each lamp tray to different settings to make a comfortable session. You just bolt it together plug it in and let it tan the sh*t out of your clients.

Im not trying to change your mind, keep your magic its a good bed but it isnt the only big dog out there.


Convex = $37,000
THP-24M= $28,500

[BIG AL]

110 vs 130 is a little less than 20% but the Magic is a 12 minute bed compared to the 10 minute Convex. So 110 for 10 minutes it puts out 1100 units. The Magic at 130 for 12minutes puts out 1560 units. The way I figure it, the Magic puts out 41% more in a session compared to the Convex.

[certan]

I wonder would most of you agree that the SunSport and the Chronos that are also made by SunItalia are comparable to the Magic????

[BIG AL]

Certan, EliteMike had some problems with a used bed that he bought. Even with the problems he had, the bed he would trade it for is a new Magic. That should tell you something.

[EliteMike]

Keep in mind that I bought mine used, you can't compare my complaints to someone taking it right out of the box. The Magic does not cost much more that the convex. Money saved by the lamp adjustability.

Maybe you should have read all my posts in more detail

Depending on where the industry is in 4 years, but more importantly depending on where I am, I'll be getting rid of this machine when the lease is up. By then I'm sure there will be a few different upgrades to the magic and the leonardo should be perfected

[BIG AL]

It is the power and adjustability that make the Magic special.
If it just put out 130, it would be a good bed. If it just had adjustability, it would be a good bed. It is the combination of the 2
that make it a great bed. Why other beds don't have the adjustability feature I don't know. Is there a patent on it?

[certan]

I dont disagree.. The adustability is a good feature. Im not a engineer so I couldnt tell you why other manufactures dont offer it. I am curious though. If every time you drop in output you just adjust the output up wouldnt you be over driving the lamps and actually end up shortening their life???

[John]

I wonder would most of you agree that the SunSport and the Chronos that are also made by SunItalia are comparable to the Magic????

The Sunsport and Chronos are not made by Sun Italia, they may have been imported by the same group, but not manufactured.

The Magic 636, King & Sunsport Platinum are made by Eurosun
The Chronos was made by Whitesun
The old Sunsport was made by someone else??? Barclay???
The Leonardo is made by Logicam Group SRL

Sun Italia is just the importer. They also implemented some design changes, like upgrade to M-UG 6.

Both the Entropy & Magic have pros & cons, like I said earlier or in another post, no one is going to admit they made $40K mistake. People will continue to defend the purchase no matter what.

Now lets have 2 salons in the same neighborhood one with the Magic 636 & one with the Entropy, after a year lets see who made more dough, had less problems & more satisfied customers. Until that happens, buy what you believe in.

110 is pretty pissed at 838 hrs, lets say it lost 25% from new, so around 146 new on a 5.0 ain't too shabby. One thing about the Entropy that I don't like is the keyed lamps. They are exclusive to Tanses for now & I'm sure they are a bit overpriced.

[certan]

Yes it would be nice to be able to get the lamps from other lamp distributors but there not terribly priced.

500watt lamps are about $80.00 each

[Brian Oshman]

One thing about the Entropy that I don't like is the keyed lamps.

A masonry cutoff wheel and an angle grinder will remove any tabs in the way from the ceramic base.