Kick Asz Readings

[Whitetail]

I just took delivery of my new Saturn Standup. I would love to post pictures of the readings but I don't have any to show. I will tell you all that I am getting 359 on the body lamps and ... are you ready... 551 on the facial lamp. This is insane. I am shooting 248 volts to the bed and can't wait to see customers reactions to this unit. We have had to limit the time on this unit to 10 minutes only.

If you all are thinking of getting a HP unit this year give Patryk a call this unit is unbelievable.

[Jim Fisher]

Wait till after the first 50 hours and then do another reading once the glass has time to break in. What was your b reading on that unit

[Matthew]

How much better is this one than the Saturn you were talking about last year?

[Natureboy]

Anyone have pic's and spec's yet on the new Saturn??????


And is there any problems with "hot spots" with the parabolic reflector lamps? This is always a concern for me before I consider a Saturn.

[Miraclesun]

The new Saturn pictures are on our web site. Click on Saturn, and download the catalog.

Kindest Regards,

Al Reasonover
CEO

Miracle Sun, Inc.
4542 Elkhart rd. #700
Elkhart, IN 46517
1-800-449-9826
Fax (574)875-9742
miraclesun.net

[Whitetail]

In comparison to the saturn I bought last year it is much higher. I did not meter the B reading yet. As far as hot spots there are none at least I haven't noticed any personally. Now if I can just get the employees to sell it I will be great.

[sparkie]

Not to chat down the unit as I have one also, but as stated, the first 50 hours or so on MANY HP are gonna WOW ya.

Euro lamps and virgin filter glass kick up the output originally, then settle in.

Even with that , NICE readings, though are they AT the glass, body position, etc, and more important, MED and UVB Readings also for a true snapshot of the tanning potential.

[Whitetail]

Yes Sparky all readings I take on my saturns are "on the Glass". This is the way that I was taught to do them on the stand ups as it is difficult to get the body position exactly the same every time.

Yes I know that a brand new unit is going to out perfom when it is still new but Damm 550 that is insane.

[Drew]

The first unit in the US running at 250 volts in California metered

At the body. 170-180
At the glass, similar to above.

uv-b at the body. Apx 1.4 1.6

They ran it at 10 too. But it acts like a super vhr right now. After burn in and solarization, I would think the bed would be a bit nicer. 250 volts makes this machine nearly insane.

[John]

The Saturn will tan you in 6 minutes.

No need for the full 10

[Don]

At 250 volts, the salon owner (1) has become the "Manufacturer of Record" for the unit (and must register it with FDA); (2) the vendors warranty and product liability insurance is "null and void"; (3) the salon's liability insurance is "null and void"; and, (4) the lamps ought to last at least 200 hours.

Other than that, no problems-LOL.

[solarmeter®]

Spoilsport - haha. Even though I suppose you are right.

Let's see how much the "at glass" readings drop after ~50 hours. "Supposed" to drop 10% from solarization and ??% from age-blasting the bulbs at 248VAC.

For body position in a standup you can get close by hanging a string plumb bob in the center and holding bottom of meter against the string. Of course aiming at a lamp column will be higher than aiming between columns.

There must be more of those bootlegged 5.0 HP meters out there in use than I thought..... 0-1999 mW/cm² version.
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[sparky]

This booth is equipped and labeled with 240v ballasts, and designed as such.

250v is less than 5% variation from the 'nominal' voltage of 240 and it would not be out of line for your Utility Company to tell you +/- 10% on voltage for variation.

No issues here about "Mfr of Record' with rated voltage.

[solarmeter®]

Cool!

Even if FDA does adopt the "you alter it - you own it" provision.... they would have to quantify exactly how much is too much "performance" enhancement that "you" caused by your reckless disregard. Five % wouldn't fit their "here comes the feds" warning methinks.

Putting Panther tubes in a 20 minute base bed might raise the hair on their backs though.... jack boots and all.



Come to think of it (correct me if I'm bonkers Donald) true "overdriving" of HP lamps actually reduces UVB and Eeff somewhat. A catch-22 not everyone knows about. It might increase UVA browning rays above 42000 ft outer space levels.. but decrease MED/hr below levels at say 235V. (?)
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[Miraclesun]

I really don't think the FDA is going to come after salon owners for this. The tanning police may come get you. We do warranty the unit as Sparky says on a plus 5% either way. My salon varies on the incoming voltage in and out of season, at least 5%. To me this is a little far fetch, but what do I know? Has anyone ever ran into problem's with this in the pass? I know the old Dr. Mueller beds use to run high voltage. I will also confirm that the units were tested at 240 v.

Kindest Regards,

Al Reasonover
CEO

Miracle Sun, Inc.
4542 Elkhart rd. #700
Elkhart, IN 46517
1-800-449-9826
Fax (574)875-9742
miraclesun.net

[Don]

For every increase of 5 volts, the Te (4.0 MED) time is decreased by 1 minute for LP lamps. Thus, a sunbed "on the edge" at 240v could be out of compliance at 250v and a sunbed "on the edge" at 230v (where most manufacturers specify) would definately be out of compliance at 250v.

Is this also true for HID/hp? I don't know but I will find out when time permits.

What I do know is that "overdriven" lamps, i.e., driving a 700w lamp with a 1000w ballast, will dramatically decrease the UVB output (and increase the Te time).

Conceivably, then, overdriving the bed at 250v might actually lengthen the Te time.

Steve/Sparky: FDA has already quantified this. If the "performance" of the sunbed (i.e., the Te time) changes more than ±10%, it has been "aldulterated" from the original by the salon owner. It has nothing to do with a 5% change in the voltage.

Al could check this out very easily by testing a unit at 230v, 235v, 240v, 245v and 250v and comparing the Te times.

Which makes me wonder why FDA doesn't require manufacturers to test their units at different voltages so that they could warn their customers about what would happen when the unit is operated at a voltage other than the recommended. To the best of my failing memory, this topic has never come up in a FDA/Industry meeting.

Al: The only way the FDA would get involved is if there was a complaint from a client who gets sunburned. This actually happened with a HID/hp system that is no longer being offered for sale.

The "bottom line" is that it is too risky operating a unit at other than what the manufacturer recommends in this litigious society of ours. I get calls every month from salons/vendors who are being sued and need information/help/advice.

[solarmeter®]

Good post.

[Miraclesun]

We have no control over what salons want to do. I think this would be almost impossible for the FDA to police the salons. I'm sure there can be isolated incidents that happen. Some beds have a built in auto transformer, and boost units to 380 volts to 400 volts. You would almost need five you more different exposure schedules for the salon owners. Depending on the incoming voltage for the exposure time. Some salons may only juice the bed 220 v. or 230 v., not really sure how much the exposure schedule would change. But, I bet salon owners, and Manufacturer's would not like this topic discussed at the next meeting. The tanning units look ugly enough with all the labels they have us put on already.

Kindest Regards,

Al Reasonover
CEO

Miracle Sun, Inc.
4542 Elkhart rd. #700
Elkhart, IN 46517
1-800-449-9826
Fax (574)875-9742
miraclesun.net

[Whitetail]

Al

I love my new Saturn!!! You guys do a hell of a job. I have a question though. On your old web site you had a background image that was on every page. The image was of a faded out parabolic filter that was lit up by the lamp. I assume that it was one of the Saturn Filters. Anyways I was wanting to use that image on a banner in the room. Do you have a high res copy of that image? If so could I use it / get a copy?

[Beat]

do you have the pic? I'd like to add to my meter readings collection.