Magic "Supra 230V" lamps

[Natureboy]

Just got my shipment from Patryck.

My "Supra"UB 818 lamps that I also recieved say 400 V and my magic ones are 230V?

Why would this be? I thought the Magic transformer sends 380 to the lamps? Is it stepped down in the bed or something that makes it different from the 818.

I thougth it was just a difference in wattage of the lamp? 1200's for the Magic and 1000's for the 818.

[solarmeter®]

Curious stuff - them transformers, legs, and bulbs are.

Gotta be a wizzard to understand it all.

[uv2021]

The magic uses 230 volt lamps and the 818 uses 380 volt lamps.You need a degree in electrical to understand how that works.

[sparky]

818 uses 380v or phase to phase power.

636 is 230v or phase to 'neutral'

same concept as WYE wiring for commercial use. 3 hots referencing one neutral.

[Din]

Nevermind that.....get them meter numbers posted. I gotta place my order like next week too.....

[Natureboy]

UB's are first. Magic will be in about a week. I will let you know numbers for both.

These lamps better be worth the hype. $9K after exchange, duty, GST ect for 4 beds to relamp. Not cheap for us up north.

[uv2021]

In the old days 380/1000's were 150$ US.And the exchange rate was much ,much worse.So be happy.

[Natureboy]

Originally Posted by uv2021

In the old days 380/1000's were 150$ US.And the exchange rate was much ,much worse.So be happy.

Yah, your right. Not to mention the bed still makes me huge $$ for a couple of grand investment.

[Drew]

the 1000, the 1200 and the 1400 watt lamp are all the same lamp.

The 800 plug in and the 1000 plug in are the same lamp.

The 500 watt plug in and the 400 watt plug in are the same lamp.

The 2k and the 2500 are the same lamp.

The supras will give you back some of the b lost due to solarized blue glass.
Supras in an 818 run a bit hot....and you may want to get some extra back plates for your parabolics as they kinda get fried every 1000 hours or so.
The outputs and life are superb.....on an 812, the lamps go 2000 hours and still put out strong A readings.

[Natureboy]

Originally Posted by Drew

The supras will give you back some of the b lost due to solarized blue glass.
Supras in an 818 run a bit hot....and you may want to get some extra back plates for your parabolics as they kinda get fried every 1000 hours or so.
The outputs and life are superb.....on an 812, the lamps go 2000 hours and still put out strong A readings.

What information are you baseing this on Drew? They did meter 10% better for me in the 818, but why do they last longer? What is different with construction of the lamps? I want to know more than what the manufacturer says or the distributor that is selling them.

[Saturn Boy]

if you're referring to the lamps lasting longer in the magic....it's because of the triac board in the machine. really ... all i think it does is regulate the amps to the lamps....but just a guess

[uv2021]

The quartz glass is made up of much higher quality components.The lamps that I was importing from europe were also handmade wich added to the quality.I beleive that Supras are from the same factory.Hereus are mass produced by machine ,and in the old days hereus was good.Now they are crap and they don't seem to care.

[Drew]

Heraeus are not even all made by hereaeus anymore.

If you simply look at the thickness of the glass on the Supras, you will see a difference. ...then look at the "cathode" or "tits" inside the lamp..the Supras are double the thickness of heraeus. Heraeus will bend then break off.......Supras will NEVER have that happen.
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In fact, about the onlyproblem with supras is that they are still putting out great uva readings, but the lamps glass gets white and looses its uv-b at high hours. (all lamps will do this if they stay lit)....but you have to throw out a "good" lamp or keep it for spares...Put in new ones IN SEASON for the extra B on older beds with real solarized blue glass.........Hell, you can sell the used SunSport lamps to a 818 guy for 10 bucks a lamp and he can get 500 more hours out of 90% of them. Most UB people don't mind the lower B..especially if they are 30 min beds.

[Brian Oshman]

Also the mercury amount and gas fill are more closely monitored during manufacturing.

[solarmeter®]

So - um - what happened to the "Original Hanau Skincare®" ??

Too bad if the first "good" HP company quit paying attention to quality.

That would be like Solartech switching to cheap Chinese UV meters and sticking Solarmeter® labels on them. Hmmm.



Only $11 on Amazon. Enjoy!

100% inaccurate. I tested it.... along with about 20 more varieties from China.

[John]

Man, where do you all get your info from. Heraeus is not mass produced, they are still made by hand, except for the 400W clip in, which is the number 1 OEM lamp.

I have seen all of Heraeus' production & it is not mass produced like Philips or others. (I spent 4 days at their factory)

Also Heraeus makes 100% of their HP lamps. Unlike Supra who is made by Radium. (They also make Solar Elements, Gold Light, AUVL & others)

Cathodes are not used in HP lamps, They have electrodes & they will vary by size depending on lamp wattage. A larger electrode doesn't mean a better lamp. Typically the only way a electrode will break off in a lamp is when an Ignitor gets stuck open & just blast it off the end with too much voltage.

Ask Supra to visit their factory & see how they are made? Oh yeah they don't have one.

The Radium (Osram) factory mass produces the HP tanning lamps along with many other types of lamps. They do not specialize in HP tanning lamps like Heraeus does.

Hand made or machine made also doesn't make a lamp good. It is the quality in the quartz, which is the number 1 factor.

Buy what you want, but don't post false information for all to read.

[uv2021]

Then why do hereaus lamps not last as long?Why is the output inferior?Is it because they are made better?All that I can tell you is the the Supra lamps are better.They last longer and output is higher.

[John]

Your making your assumption on what?

There are applications where one brand may be better, but certainly not all. There are some applications where only Philips work best.

If Radium where Superior don't you think more OEM's would be using them? Heraeus certainly isn't as cheap as Radium lamps are.

Heraeus is OEM in ETS, Sontegra, Sonnenbraune, KBL, many new Ergoline units, (majority of Ergoline is Philips). All UWE, some Ultrabronz, Miracle Sun Saturn, Tanses, and many others.

[uv2021]

Persenal expeirience with 380/1000's as well as 230 1000's for the chronos.On these lamps there is no comparison.Chronos uses same lamps as Magic and SS platinum.SS 2021 kicks with the right lamps.Sucks with the wrong ones.Problems with the heraus 380/1000 started in around 97/98.

[John]

So your experience with 2 types of lamps, labels the whole company?

That pretty good.

I have heard of issues with the 1000W 380V lamps, however, I believe all that was corrected. The new ORB1000 that Heraeus offers is top of the line. Great output & life.

I have many customers with the Chronos, Magic 636 & SS Platinum that have been using Heraeus for years now with no issues.

We have sold almost every brand of HP over the years. From Radium, Cosmedico, BLV, Philips, SLI, Muller, Kalfasun, Sunfit, ISO & Heraeus. The customers seem to keep requesting the Heraeus brand.