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UltrabronzSteve · 27th June 2007, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jones

Steve right there is the problem...you said,
No idea what kind of modern mattress bed gives more B than a magic... perhaps there are some.

NO MORE UVB is needed...matter of fact if you know how to get the reflector, lamp and glass config right...the better beds are always lower uvb and a ton of uva...BETTER TANNING! Getting someone red or having too much UVB is not what most hp users are looking for...
when you have high b beds in hp you take away my selling point thus taking away my sell...high b does NOT MAKE A BETTER HP BED>.................PERIOD!

I agree Jones, low B is one of the main selling points and should be...higher B should only give more instant redness, but taking away the % of A will affect long term results....if they want redness just give them more IR and dont let the results suffer

EliteMike · 27th June 2007, 08:48 PM

Well she just used it today and she came out red. Yesterday she used one of my high B units. She goes, wow, this is what I want. I'm like okay great!! The magic has seen more use today, she was the 9th person in it. The building is really cool right now, I think the bed was completely cooled down from the last session as well.

Lamps have 32 hours, bed is metering at 127 in the center.

W8INLINE · 27th June 2007, 08:51 PM

you let her tan back to back? tell me it isn't so.............

EliteMike · 27th June 2007, 09:32 PM

not in the magic no, every 48 hours is my recommendation in every bed. 24 hours is the minimum and experienced tanners know this. I do my best to educate people, but it doesn't work with some of these people. I'd love to see a 48 hour rule put in place as long as all salons follow it.

W8INLINE · 28th June 2007, 12:51 AM

I get what you're saying. I guess I'm lucky I have Din. He chases them out of the salon with Burtha, the baseball bat, if they happen to show up two days in a row.

EliteMike · 28th June 2007, 02:32 AM

I had one lady ask if i did unlimited on the magic, I said absolutely not, she said how come. I asked her how quick she'd like cancer. Actually I dind't ask her that. One of my employees worked at a salon before where this lady tanned, she'd go in the velocity every day 5 days a week. I know the velocity measures what 90 mils?

Brian Oshman · 28th June 2007, 10:52 AM

Quote:

I know the velocity measures what 90 mils?

50mw

Din · 28th June 2007, 11:31 AM

20, 50, 90mw....it doesn't matter. No tanning 2 days in a row, nevermind 5.

EliteMike · 28th June 2007, 12:36 PM

50, are you freakin serious??? I have LP with sol glass blowin that away

BIG AL · 29th June 2007, 06:29 PM

The P90 dosen't have much better numbers.

solarmeter® · 29th June 2007, 08:58 PM

The sun has ~5.6 nowdays at solar noon on a 5.0. Wow.

So even 50 is about 9 times more than the sun.

Sun has around 0.4 mW/cm² UVB and ~4 MED/hr in mid latitude US near the summer solstice (June 21) fyi.

Din · 29th June 2007, 09:17 PM

Yeah, but did you use the 10" stick for measurements? Depends on your placement and how close to the sun the meter was.

solarmeter® · 29th June 2007, 09:57 PM

There is more truth to that than meets the eye (or the meter).

On earth... the 10" stick has to be multiplied by a gazillion... but the principle is still the same. If you climb up a 12000 ft mountain - the UVA will at least double, and the UVB will like quadruple!

I loaned a UV Index meter to BBC last year for a Discovery Channel documentary. At base camp it read 8.5. At altitude it read close to 40! The bums cut out the segment on the floor to shorten the final version. Otherwise I'd post a link to it.

That was a million centimeter stick - or something like that.

EliteMike · 23rd July 2007, 08:40 PM

I just had another lady say she probably won't be back, she likes the velocity better, its' more comfortable.

My magic has a hot spot still right where your ass is.

sparky · 23rd July 2007, 09:33 PM

turn that darned lamp down already.!

quality lotion, and a sticker where I can see it!

You get great color in 2-3 sessions, done!

EliteMike · 23rd July 2007, 09:42 PM

SParky, the base is turned ALL the way down. I think this particular version of the magic has problems where certain columns are hotter than others

Island Cove · 24th July 2007, 12:30 PM

Shoulda got a Mastersun. No hotspots. clients definalty don't prefer the Velocity over it. I have some clients who will drive the hour drive to use my mastersun instead of staying in town to use the velocity. sorry, couldn't resist.

uv2021 · 24th July 2007, 05:51 PM

Without reading all of your posts on the Magic..do you have the fan wich blows under the acrilic?

Din · 24th July 2007, 07:58 PM

I believe in another thread on his Magic he said he has the fan...

EliteMike · 25th July 2007, 10:14 AM

Yep, got the fan

27th June 2007, 08:48 PM	#22 (permalink)
EliteMike Hall of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: D.C. Posts: 4,463	Re: Previous HP user doesn't like magic Well she just used it today and she came out red. Yesterday she used one of my high B units. She goes, wow, this is what I want. I'm like okay great!! The magic has seen more use today, she was the 9th person in it. The building is really cool right now, I think the bed was completely cooled down from the last session as well. Lamps have 32 hours, bed is metering at 127 in the center.

27th June 2007, 08:51 PM	#23 (permalink)
W8INLINE Hall of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Global Posts: 1,971	Re: Previous HP user doesn't like magic you let her tan back to back? tell me it isn't so............. __________________ ......................Flashback 2001........................ "One of the 'ORIGINAL' TanToday Gang"

27th June 2007, 09:32 PM	#24 (permalink)
EliteMike Hall of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: D.C. Posts: 4,463	Re: Previous HP user doesn't like magic not in the magic no, every 48 hours is my recommendation in every bed. 24 hours is the minimum and experienced tanners know this. I do my best to educate people, but it doesn't work with some of these people. I'd love to see a 48 hour rule put in place as long as all salons follow it.

28th June 2007, 12:51 AM	#25 (permalink)
W8INLINE Hall of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Global Posts: 1,971	Re: Previous HP user doesn't like magic I get what you're saying. I guess I'm lucky I have Din. He chases them out of the salon with Burtha, the baseball bat, if they happen to show up two days in a row. __________________ ......................Flashback 2001........................ "One of the 'ORIGINAL' TanToday Gang"

28th June 2007, 02:32 AM	#26 (permalink)
EliteMike Hall of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: D.C. Posts: 4,463	Re: Previous HP user doesn't like magic I had one lady ask if i did unlimited on the magic, I said absolutely not, she said how come. I asked her how quick she'd like cancer. Actually I dind't ask her that. One of my employees worked at a salon before where this lady tanned, she'd go in the velocity every day 5 days a week. I know the velocity measures what 90 mils?

28th June 2007, 11:31 AM	#28 (permalink)
Din Smartass Canuck Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 9,090	Re: Previous HP user doesn't like magic 20, 50, 90mw....it doesn't matter. No tanning 2 days in a row, nevermind 5. __________________ www.ChronosMarketing.com ____________________________________________ The problem nowadays is stupidity. Why don't we just take the safety labels off everything and see what happens?

28th June 2007, 12:36 PM	#29 (permalink)
EliteMike Hall of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: D.C. Posts: 4,463	Re: Previous HP user doesn't like magic 50, are you freakin serious??? I have LP with sol glass blowin that away

29th June 2007, 06:29 PM	#30 (permalink)
BIG AL Super Star Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 868	Re: Previous HP user doesn't like magic The P90 dosen't have much better numbers.

29th June 2007, 08:58 PM	#31 (permalink)
solarmeter® UV Geek Squad Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Lake St Clair Posts: 3,326	Re: Previous HP user doesn't like magic The sun has ~5.6 nowdays at solar noon on a 5.0. Wow. So even 50 is about 9 times more than the sun. Sun has around 0.4 mW/cm² UVB and ~4 MED/hr in mid latitude US near the summer solstice (June 21) fyi.

29th June 2007, 09:17 PM	#32 (permalink)
Din Smartass Canuck Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 9,090	Re: Previous HP user doesn't like magic Yeah, but did you use the 10" stick for measurements? Depends on your placement and how close to the sun the meter was. __________________ www.ChronosMarketing.com ____________________________________________ The problem nowadays is stupidity. Why don't we just take the safety labels off everything and see what happens?

29th June 2007, 09:57 PM	#33 (permalink)
solarmeter® UV Geek Squad Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Lake St Clair Posts: 3,326	Re: Previous HP user doesn't like magic There is more truth to that than meets the eye (or the meter). On earth... the 10" stick has to be multiplied by a gazillion... but the principle is still the same. If you climb up a 12000 ft mountain - the UVA will at least double, and the UVB will like quadruple! I loaned a UV Index meter to BBC last year for a Discovery Channel documentary. At base camp it read 8.5. At altitude it read close to 40! The bums cut out the segment on the floor to shorten the final version. Otherwise I'd post a link to it. That was a million centimeter stick - or something like that.

23rd July 2007, 08:40 PM	#34 (permalink)
EliteMike Hall of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: D.C. Posts: 4,463	Re: Previous HP user doesn't like magic I just had another lady say she probably won't be back, she likes the velocity better, its' more comfortable. My magic has a hot spot still right where your ass is.

23rd July 2007, 09:33 PM	#35 (permalink)
sparky Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Neverland Posts: 1,937	Re: Previous HP user doesn't like magic turn that darned lamp down already.! quality lotion, and a sticker where I can see it! You get great color in 2-3 sessions, done!

23rd July 2007, 09:42 PM	#36 (permalink)
EliteMike Hall of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: D.C. Posts: 4,463	Re: Previous HP user doesn't like magic SParky, the base is turned ALL the way down. I think this particular version of the magic has problems where certain columns are hotter than others

24th July 2007, 12:30 PM	#37 (permalink)
Island Cove The Good, The Bad, The Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,187	Re: Previous HP user doesn't like magic Shoulda got a Mastersun. No hotspots. clients definalty don't prefer the Velocity over it. I have some clients who will drive the hour drive to use my mastersun instead of staying in town to use the velocity. sorry, couldn't resist.

24th July 2007, 05:51 PM	#38 (permalink)
uv2021 Super Star Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 543	Re: Previous HP user doesn't like magic Without reading all of your posts on the Magic..do you have the fan wich blows under the acrilic?

24th July 2007, 07:58 PM	#39 (permalink)
Din Smartass Canuck Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 9,090	Re: Previous HP user doesn't like magic I believe in another thread on his Magic he said he has the fan... __________________ www.ChronosMarketing.com ____________________________________________ The problem nowadays is stupidity. Why don't we just take the safety labels off everything and see what happens?

25th July 2007, 10:14 AM	#40 (permalink)
EliteMike Hall of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: D.C. Posts: 4,463	Re: Previous HP user doesn't like magic Yep, got the fan

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