Sportarrado Njoy HP...Big Enough Upgrade for my Salon?

[The Freshness]

Currently I have:
(1) 48 lamp 160W VHR standup 12 min session. $14
(2) 40 lamp 160W VHR beds w/facials. 15 min session. $14
(4) 32 lamp 100W beds. 20 min session. $8

I'm considering the Njoy HP Mattress for my salon. Based on size and electric limitations, this unit would fit well for my salon - physically speaking. I'd probably run it as a 24 min session instead of the max 30 min.

My question is...do think it would make sense to get rid of one of my 100W base beds and add the Njoy? What type of walkin cost could I command with this unit?

Feedback appreciated....

[sunsally]

Depends how roomy your 40 lamp VHR beds are -- it is a physically SMALL bed and can seem a little "toy like" even.

And there is NO way I would cut the session times unless you are re-lamping with a lamp that will warrant that (if it can). Don't want to try to "hurry" HP. It doesn't work. Not the same as VHR that way.

If you need that size room, electrical I would be more inclined to do the Sport N'joy mix with the VHR bench and the 15 minute tan time. 30 minutes will be a very tough sell even if it is all "true HP" rather than a mix bed.

[John]

You could easily sell it for the same price as the stand up

[The Freshness]

I figure I'd want at least $25 or more for walk-ins, otherwise the session would take up too much time for too little money. True?
Hence Sunsally's suggestion to get the Njoy mix. But I'm not sure if the Njoy mix would be a big enough upgrade for my salon either... although my 40 lamp VHRs are probably on the small side...

[sunsally]

I have an N'Joy mix at a salon I manage in TN (so I didn't buy it - I "inheirited" the salon and bed). It puts REALLY nice color on you - there have been posts/threads on here before - try searching. Meters quite well.

In that salon we price it WITH the Blue Moon (42 lamp VHR) because we also have Universes 50lamp VHR, as big as an SUV) the Extascy (big mongo VHR/HP), Mastersun and the Standup HPO. So it doesn't command what it could/should somewhere else.

In your pricing structure, I would put it at $20 for the mix. $8, $14, $20 -- all $6 jumps. You could TRY $25 if there is no "true HP" in town, but I think that may be too big a leap for many.

Think of it this way -- you are replacing a $8 unit with WHATEVER you charge on this - so anyway, you are ahead of the game!

Other option would be to go with a standup HP like the HPO, the Iso (ER- V33?), etc. Don't sell it as a stand-up -- sell it as HP! That same salon has the HPO and it is a helluva unit, as is the Iso Vertical which I have also used!

For those -- I think you could get $25 - or more. They look WAY cool in the rooms!

[Brian Oshman]

The mix puts out 95 mw/cm² A+B. If it will be your only unit like this then get the combi and not the mattress.

[Rob]

If you sell it less than $25 then your wasting your time.

Other option would be to go with a standup HP like the HPO, the Iso (ER- V33?), etc. Don't sell it as a stand-up -- sell it as HP!

The same idea for this. Don't sell it as a 30 min or a 24 min tan, sell it as a HP.

The mix tans very well. But it is a different tan compaired to the mattress.

Both will make you money, both will tan great. Both demand $25+ drop in rates. It all depends on what your wanting.

Almost all successful salons that have true HP sell their dropins for $35-40. Why would you drop the drop in price for this. It tans the same and gives the same results. Its just smaller and takes a little longer to achieve the same thing. But your selling tans not time so why charge less?

[Island Cove]

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[sunsally]

So you have a N'Joy Mattress Island Cove?

With all due respect -- comparing one beds' tan time to another is apples and oranges. It comes down to the number of lamps, wattage, distance from the tanner, reflectors and more.

My point was - if the bed is INTENDED to be a 30 minute tan - I would be very careful about trying to run it at a 20% decrease just to speed up turnaround. It SHOULD be your most expensive bed in the salon, with the best results. That isn't the bed you want to "cut corners on".

My thinking is that his 40 Lamp VHR's are a little "weak" as a VHR bed. So a combo bed could be a better "fit" for his salon, give the VHR lovers what they want, along with introducing the HP experience.

In addition - it is a small salon. ANY bed with a 30 minute tan time is going to be an issue in an 8 bed salon. Even 24 minutes is a killer. That's only 20-24 tans in a 12 hour day, if you are back to back to back from open to close. Compared to more like 36 in a 15 minute unit. That's a HUGE difference in potential revenue!

Normally - I'd recommend full 360 HP. In your case, I still think the N'Joy Mix or standup HP will be a better fit.

[Island Cove]

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[Din]

Can you guys stop using each others login's ......sheeeesh.

[Island Cove]

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[The Freshness]

Originally Posted by Island Cove

As far as a combo unit goes, as far as i'm concerned, you might as well just get a big VHR then because you don't get the longevity of a tan that true HP gives you.

With a combi HP/VHR do you have to tell people to flip over half way?

Also, regarding the tan time on the mattress, I've talked to 2 salons that run it less than the full 30 minutes and they said their clients are happy with the results. One of these salons was www.h2sol.com (nice website). They have both Mattress and Mix and said they probably get more use from the Mix. Although that's probably because they have a HPO and a 360 that the dedicated HP users prefer...

Anyway, now I'm torn between the two units. Should I just consider something else?!

[Island Cove]

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[zakieh becker]

Im a new salon owner in Florida and I have 6 beds like a stand up, two laydowns with facials and two 20 minute lay down beds. Im interested in adding another bed possibly a HP bed or just another bed like a 7 minute. I need suggestions please and some inside tips on HP beds what works good. no one in town has one, but I dont know if their ready to pay like 25 a shot or should i just add a Level 5 bed.

[Miraclesun]

Suggestions for both. Put your wow bed up front, as close to the lobby or entrance. They need to see whatever bad boy you put in. So Freshness you may need to move some units around. Your software should be able to tell you what level you currently have that gets the less usage. Find out what's in your budget, and try the competitor's beds (Manuf. not salon), and choose your favorite.

Al

[Island Cove]

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[Drew]

First off...why do you have your 48 lamp vhr priced so damn LOW!!!???

That alone makes me wonder ...

Second..who ever said they would NEVER put in a stand up hp has never seen a salon with a stand up hp.

The stand up hp units fit in very small places, tan just as good as lie downs..and comand full hp prices. PLUS, they are MUCH MORE popular than stand up "cage" vhr machines. The open design of stand up hp's is the real difference.

I too have an 812 UB that is a 23 min session..and NORMAL hp prices...30$ drop in.....3 for 75$. etc. just an fyi

[Island Cove]

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[Din]

I agree 100%. Salons with HP standup ONLY will not be as successful as a salon that lets say brings in a 360 laydown HP first and then the standup as an add on to an already HP knowledgeable customer base.

I have competition that sells their singles on the HP standup for as cheap as their VHR's and it doesn't get used...what a waste of a HP unit.

I definitely agree that salons should have a HP standup....but not as their first unit. Like Island Cove stated....maybe as a second or third HP unit add on ...which would take overflow from the 360's and please the standup croud.

I'm seeing my competition failing with a HP standup as their only HP unit first hand...and they've been in the area a lot longer than i have.