First Leonardo in CANADA!!!

[solarmeter®]

My 4 foot 9 stripper Venus

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[Natureboy]

Originally Posted by Island Cove

there are other importers that come online, there just isn't near as much the issues with their equipment posted that they don't need to participate on the boards. You can be assured that the importers and even the manufactures read these sites!

They may be reading. But either there are issues they don't want everyone to know about because they may hurt sales or there isn't enough in the field combined with salon owners that are on Tantoday with them and the importers answering the questions.

I have a hard time believing that other manufacturers beds are so perfect that they have nothing to report.

[Miraclesun]

Sorry I have nothing to do with changes on the Magic. I will pass along the comments regarding the Leonardo to the Logicam in Italy. I have read other post on here with other salon owners having problems with their other top brands of tanning beds, I really don't see many of the manufacturers / importers coming on to address their concerns. Maybe they do believe their beds are just Perfect....

[Island Cove]

I have a hard time believing that other manufacturers beds are so perfect that they have nothing to report.

I'm not saying other units are so perfect that there is nothing to report, but no offense but if you are to go and look at all the very many issues people have with the magics vrs any other hp unit you would see. Velocity just plain sucks so no one owns them so you are right. Matrix could use less B, but you don't read the owners on here having to retrofit so many different things, replace so many different things etc. Mastersun same thing. Litteraly, Sportarredo has 0 complaints about that sort of thing from Mastersun owners. We have dealt with our customer in Saskatoon breaking glass because they didn't put a backdraft on their air intake, so it was so cold and broke one glass when the bed came on, not the beds fault, and one lamp prematurely burned out, Which happens to all units. We have had 0 issues with our Two units, but I know for a fact that Emanuel from Sportarredo is on here reading, as well as all his workers in his office, and they report back to italy anything they read and here. When we were in Nashville and saw that baby matrix (can't remember the name) we drug Emanuell and Mr Bonavia,(owner of sport from italy) over to see that unit, saying we could sell the sheit out of something like that here in our neck of the woods do to CanTan setting salons up with small rooms over the years. At the moment, most salons can only fit N'joys or stand up HP's. no 360 laydowns.

But as a whole, there are almost no complaints coming in regarding Mastersun. And I'd bed same for Matrix. No these units aren't perfect, but they also dont have so many little issues going on with them all the time. I have read a ton of issues with Magic, that makes me thankful for those reasons I didn't end up getting one. they may perform great, but too many things always going wrong, or possitioned wrong for my taste.

[Island Cove]

Also alot of owners just don't post about their units on this site, because Its full of the "magic cult" If you don't have one, all you hear is your unit is a boat ancor and your so stupid for buying that unit. I wish someone would come on and say to every Magic issue that "your so stupid, and its a boat ancor" cause there is a hell of alot more issues with Magic. and everyones excuse is "there is more magics out there thats why" and how do they know this? The base it on how many magic owners participate on here vrs other HP unit owners. And again, no one is going to say anything because "we are just stupid and have boat ancors"

[Island Cove]

I have a hard time believing that other manufacturers beds are so perfect that they have nothing to report.

please don't take offence to this James, because its not ment to be anything but pointing out something. If I had as many issue's with any of my HP units, 818'2 and velocity combined, as I have read just you alone having with your Magic, I would think the same. If I and so many others have this many issues with this unit, and its suppose to be the best unit on the Market, than surely do all the other HP units out there, people just don't say anything. Yes I would think this way too.

and not directed to you James, as I know you are not like this, but many other magic owners are this way, they cannot admit that their unit has so many issues as again its suppose to be the best on the Market today, so they make excuses for it. Elite Mike is the only Magic owner I've read about that will admit that it has many issues with it.

[W8INLINE]

Tammy,

I don't own a magic so I could'nt give two Sh!ts about them.

But,

When a bed like the magic has so much adjustability which GIVES IT AN ADVANTAGE over many others, there are going to be issues. You come accross sounding like a bed manufacturer should not make upgrades and improvements to their units. Wrong!!! That is one of the reasons a bed keeps improving. Feedback from customers. Are you saying the Mastersun needs nothing? You might be right. I want to see for myself. Can you direct me to a salon in the Toronto area who has one? I want to try it and give you my feedback.

You mention matrix in a few posts. Did you know the matrix has a retrofit kit out? Why? do they suck? I don't think so....

I think you think that the Magic is the best bed out there Tammy....

Why else would you talk about magics on a Leonardo thread? and keep mentioning it on every HP thread for that matter...

Regardless....now I am very curious... I want to try a mastersun...please post an address to a salon that had one...

[solarmeter®]

Also alot of owners just don't post about their units on this site, because Its full of the "magic cult" If you don't have one, all you hear is your unit is a boat ancor and your so stupid for buying that unit.

Magic Cult ??? Who exactly?

Sparky? Brian the Boat Anchor® guy? Not a very big kool-aid cult!

[Rob]

shoot, wrong profile

[Island Cove]

w8inline, yes the magic has ajustability, and thats the only thing you guys can say that makes it so great. But when you weigh all the problems that goes wrong with that unit, i'd rather not have the adjustabily option if it means i have to deal with all that other crap.

this is where Magic owners become blinded. The unit is a great tanning unit, if you don't mind constantly monkey wrenching on it. Yes all units should be upgraded time to time, but in the case of the Magic, its been retrofit this and that because its not working properly, the acrylics crack, bad speeker positioning and so on. Re doing lamp configurations because the first models just wern't great. upgrading glass to make it not have hotspots. Every year that unit comes out with more and more retrofit parts. You don't see that to that extent with other HP units.

And I gotta laugh at you guys who all promote that adjustability , saying how great it is that your customers can adjust the lamps, yet you say on other posts that you don't tell them this is an option. Reminds me of the crap my salesman sold me on when i was buying my sundash. "only true 200 watt stand up in the industry" yet its realy 160 watts. Or how HP was so bad because they didn't have facials in their unit. Its a selling feature to the salon owner that becomes a pain in the ass and they don't use it and definatly don't tell their customers they can adjust the lamps
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[Natureboy]

I don't think it is a "Magic Cult" I think it is basically salon owners bought Magics 8 to 1 compared to Mastersuns. Why? Who knows.

I think the Magic has more issues bascially because it is that much more options and things to go wrong. And I still wouldn't change the adjustability for less performance.

Just like a drag race car. The faster you go, the more you need to be tweeking, adjusting, upgrading and fixing all the time. I don't always like the issues, but except them as part of the performance. Somebody posted something similar in another post about wreching is part of it and can be enjoyable.

[Natureboy]

And when I say adjustability I mean from the salon owner control over the individual lamps. I could care less about the tanner turning the bed down.

[Island Cove]

You come accross sounding like a bed manufacturer should not make upgrades and improvements to their units. Wrong!!! That is one of the reasons a bed keeps improving.

As far as this, yes i believe they should keep improving units, the problem however with the Magic was that they never truley tested this unit before they released it. Improving should mean making a good unit even better, like perhaps making the Mastersun adjustable also, but where the Magic is concerned, it was making a support because the acrylics kept breaking, having to buy new glass imediatly when you purchase this unit otherwise your clients feel like they are melting. It is replacement parts because the originals sucked. This unit was not tried properly before it was released. And this all comes back to rushing its production to beat out the mastersun into the market place. As far as tanning ablility its great. but it was not built right in the first place. its retrofiting on this unit to make it proper, not to improve on an already great unit. Yes you can say what you say because your dealing with a unit that needs so much stuff done to it to make it work properly. If you view this as improving on the unit, then so be it. I guess anything that was not done right the first time will need improvements and one could view this like you did. I do not. I plug in my unit and walk away. The only option i don't have now that the magic does is adjustablility. The magic is upgrading parts that my unit already has. thats my point. And in some small way I could adjust my unit by bumping up or down its transformer.

[Island Cove]

I think the Magic has more issues bascially because it is that much more options and things to go wrong.

Besides adjustability, what are the more options? this is what I don't get? Mastersun has bult in stereo and speakers, and I didn't have to retrofit anything because they are in the right position. Mastersun also has acrylics but i didn't have to retrofit a support because it was already done. Mastersun has cooled bottom acrylic, plus airflow all down the body instead of just a fan at the foot. I have the options to turn off the facials, and just have body tanners on, or i can turn off the body and just have facials on. My unit can also talk to me if i wished, but we turned that option off. My unit has back accent lighting, where as magic owners are trying to retrofit something to have accent lighting. Besides adjustability, what does the magic have that I don't on my unit? and look at the problems with all those things it has, that has nothing to do with adjustability. How does that make any sence to say that the magic will have more issues because it has more options? how does the adjustability of lamps efect your acrylics and stereo's and fans and glass? please explain? I"m confused now.

[Island Cove]

and look at the $$$ you spend to retrofit these parts? kinda undoes the $$ you make on longer lamp life, look at how much more electricity you pay to run that unit than I do. Look at the bigger lease space you need to run that unit. take everything into perspective and then weigh it. My unit tans awesome too! And how many of you realy run that unit at 130? so you run it at what my unit meters at anyways. by adjusting it you get longer lamp life, and thats your so many more featurs that my unit doesn have. lol, but you spend way more money to purchase that unit and retrofit all the crap that is constantly going wrong. How the hell do any of you magic owners get to take a decent vacation when you constantly have to monkey wrench your units? I don't even have to monkey wrench my 1995 model 818's as much. In my eyes a brand new unit that you pay as much as you do for a magic should work properly and not have issues as if its 20 years old and wearing out.

[Island Cove]

And I still wouldn't change the adjustability for less performance.

And I have to ask, how do you know you'd get less performance from my unit than yours? just because your's meters higher, means customers are going to like it better? my guess is not because those lamps are going to feel way to intense on the skin. I'd not want my unit putting out more than it does because then it would feel too intense. Its right on that fine line that it can almost feel too intense sometimes. The color i get from that unit, crazy. Thats what matters. Because people on these boards say the magic performs better, thats gospel? Have you tried my unit? Why do you think we sold that unit is Saskatoon? Did you know they tried the Magic first, and hated it? They love the unit they have now. Why do you think they hated it? too intense they said and the color they got was not all it was cracked up to be.

How can someone say their unit is better than another if they've never tried another unit?

so if a unit metered at 200, then it would be better? my guess is clients would not enjoy feeling like they are being thoroughly roasted to death. Numbers dont meen client comfort.

[Island Cove]

I think Magic owners were so throroughly sold on the adjustibily crap that they aren't looking at the whole picture. it doesn't matter how many things are wrong with the unit, "oh but its ajdustable" If one of you could stand back and see from outside the box your in and see how crazy it sounds, and realy see how much money you have spent fixing this unit then you'd understand where I come from.

[Island Cove]

And lastly, look at all these "new" things to retrofit on your unit, realy look at them and please note, with each retrofit part put on that unit, it is mimiking the mastersun more and more and more. Look at the new lamp configuration, it mimiks the mastersun configuration, look at the mug 6 it mimiks the glass on the mastersun (uvb alowance) i think i read something about the new magics having bottom acrylics cooled? i'll have to look that up again. So that being said, whats going on here? if my unit sucks, why are they making the new magics more like my unit?

[Natureboy]

Well if those last three posts are true then the Mastersun just took que's from Magic problems. I thought you said Sun Italia copied the Mastersun?

They probably did put it out sooner untested to get it out. But I still made 10,s of thousands per month because of it.

As if they tried the Magic and HATED it. They probably didn't want to spend the $55k the bed cost at that time. And where was that? My salon?

And the only reason they bought HP was because I had proven it in Regina by being the first in SK years before to have it. IF I didn't have it, they would have never even thought of buying it.

No-one said your unit sucks.

[uv2021]

Wow are we ever pissed today.This was a leonardo thread.From reading your comments I can tell you know very little about the Magic's history and continual improvements that are keeping it the most versatile powerful money making HP unit on the planet .

Most people who own a magic or SS platinum have very little issues with it.The same people on these sites are the same 3 or 4 people who keep bashing this unit.Most people are very happily making money while maintaining continual output of their liking on the only HP unit out there giving you 1200-1400 hrs.

You state that the magic needs to replace this and that.Yes better glass became available,it should not be an option ,but it was and some never took it,and the bed was hot.It's called trail and error with an italian product in an north american enviorment.

And as for sporterredo comming so perfect with the mastersun the first time....the early spoterrado beds had to be rewired....just to meet csa approval!

The advantage you have on the island is small town ,not much competition.If you were in a busy cosmopolitan area that was intensivly competitive ,had 5-6k rents ,would you like to be the salon on the coner with an 08 Magic or an 08 sporterado?Keep in mind the 08 Magic is fully loaded with mug 6 ,lighting kit ,misters 20 percent more output and a better cooling sytem under the acrlic! That means the customer upgrades nothing.And as far as upgrading it is a beatiful option to have,main chasis and boards stay the same but you have the abilty to keep your bed current.


So quit picking on the Magic,it's a truly great ,great tanning machine.