Can you help me with my Magic 636

[northtanman]

Originally Posted by LavaTroy

I will do whatever is necessary to make this work. I am already aware that i need more air and it will be installed before this bed will be put to use. If you had a clue what I paid for this bed you wouldnt be saying that. Anyway, I already stated that I have to have another panel box installed. I am prepared to do whatever is necessary, I'm just here to find out what that is.

Hey, tell us what you paid? I'm curious?? Helps us know what they are going for....why would'nt you say? Thanks

[Natureboy]

Don't matter what you paid if you can't make it work. Just 'adding" another panel means nothing too. We have to hope you have enough amps coming to your space to begin with.

And you have to know how much cooling total you need. Just adding some more may not be enough.

I hope it works out for you.

[LavaTroy]

I will gladly tell the 'magic'al number once the bed is delivered. I don't want to jinx myself. It should be in my possession by the end of the week. I have already contacted Brian. I want to be prepared before he comes so I don't waste his time.

[EliteMike]

I spent over a month getting mine running "good" not great. I can give you my salon's number if you have any general questions. I basically did everything except assemble the bed initially. All boards were changed out by me with the assistance of Mathias and Patryk over the phone. If you don't have a 5.0 meter. order one today so you have it in time. I know the inner workings of this bed much better than I really cared to. My biggest issue right now isn't an important one. lamps don't correspond to the lamp number on my diagram. Can be fixed, but I'm a little to lazy to play with it until i find the lamp that is adjusting properly.

I just hooked up speakers to mine Sunday night. That lady has GOT to go. I'm feeding my salon's music through the CD terminal and outputting to computer speakers that have sub. Everyone that has a Magic of King with the voice chip should pitch in to have the voice chip redone with a general message.

I'm not really sure how much the body fan makes a difference, Mine doesn't feel that strong?? I'll have to disconnect it and try it one day

[EliteMike]

Natureboy is right, I made the mistake about asking questions later. I spent days working on it, and hours reading about it. If it wasn't for this forum, I'd have been screwed completely.

Great bed, is it the best, I don't know... It may be. When I tell my clients how weak the HP is down the street for the same price, it's the best then!

When I talked to Tim at sun italia last week, I asked him about the retrofitting. It's coming he said. First thing I'd do is change the acrylic out to that hinged one. The machine is a PITA to clean, couple hour job if you work straight through.

[BIG AL]

Originally Posted by Natureboy

What the f*ck is with everyone on here hijacking threads? Has to be the worst reading in a long time.

You are in big trouble Lava Troy buying a Magic not knowing anything about them (I have 3). I would recommend reading every post in a search about Magic's and try to sift though the "better bed" arguements between salespeople.

Other than that, either hire Brian or someone who can even help you over the phone. My biggest concern first off is if you even have enough electrical considering you don't know the size of your panels and what is left. Then if you are going to be able to exhaust the bed and cool it properly.

You really should have posted this BEFORE you bought the bed. But I guess your in for it no matter what now.

You are right NatureBoy. Everytime there is a post about the
Magic, there are always someone that sells another HP bed that
says mine is better. Rob and IslandCove are usually the worst
offenders but there are plenty of other ones to share the blame.
The other bed salesmen seem to have an infeariority complex about the Magic and maybe they should.

If someone is trying to get help installing their Magic, what does
the Mastersun, Entropy, or the Saturn have to do with it.
Lava has pm'ed me with several small questions that I answered
for him, so where have you bed salesmen helped him?

[certan]

In my defense I never brought up the equipment I sell I was just asking questions about the magic. Big AL brought up my equipment and asked me if there had been any upgrades or retrofits to them.

[BIG AL]

Originally Posted by certan

I won't argue the fact that the Magic is a good High Pressure bed but I always love these post when everybody is saying thats its the best one on the market you just have to do this and this and this and this and this to it first and then it will tan great except its still got hot spots and it still does this and that but its the best on the market!!

Most people will also tell you that Mystic Tan is the best spray on the market but for most of us that have owned one we know better.

I guess you dont have to have the best product in this business you just have to have the best hype...

Certan, this is your first post. So exactly where was the info that
was going to help Lava get his Magic installed?

[certan]

Originally Posted by BIG AL

Certan, this is your first post. So exactly where was the info that
was going to help Lava get his Magic installed?

I cant help him cuz ive never owned a high pressure bed that I had to work on for a week before it was almost working right..

My point was I didnt say hey come buy my bed I didnt even bring up my equipment you did. I was just curious why everybody seemed to think that the Magic was the best when it seems everytime I read a post from someone that has one their talking about all the problems their having with it and all the upgrades they had to do to get it to work right.

The response I usually get is its the best because it allows you to crank up the voltage to each lamp as they get older. While I agree that is a good feature it shouldnt be the only thing that makes a bed great.

If thats the case lets just get them to add that feature to crappy high pressure beds like the Sunboard and the Velocity. Then they will be the best right??

[EliteMike]

I work in a call center for a large cable company. By working there you'd think it was the worst cable company in the world, but the truth of it is, we only hear the problems. There are a lot of subscribers, there is bound to be a problem. There are a lot of magic's in the field, there is bound to be a couple of problems especially when it comes to used machines. This forum is a place for someone to find answers. Her machine may fire right up the first time, that is still up in the air until she gets it.

[Din]

Originally Posted by certan

If thats the case lets just get them to add that feature to crappy high pressure beds like the Sunboard and the Velocity. Then they will be the best right??

Yes...they will be.

[certan]

Originally Posted by Din

Yes...they will be.

LOL!! NICE!!

[BIG AL]

I keep hearing from the bed salesmen about all the upgrades that are needed to make the Magic perform correctly. There is only one upgrade needed and that is the M-ug 6 glass unless you call a fan at the end of the bed that the older Magics didn't have an upgrade.

The original Magics didn't have the M-ug 6 glass so if you buy a used one that doesn't have the glass, you need to install it. If you buy a new Magic without it, your an idiot. It should come as a standard part of the Magic but for whatever reason it doesn't.

As far as what makes the Magic the best HP bed in some person's
eyes is the sheer power and the adjustibility of the lamps. I can
put out 130 to my tanners for 1000 hours or more. Every other
bed out starts at a high when new lamps are put in the bed and decreases every tan until new lamps are placed in the bed again.
So depending on when you change out lamps there could be a 25-30% difference between the first tan and the last tan before you change the lamps. If you can't see where that makes a big difference, then I can't help you. I can see where you would lessen the value of the adjustibility because your beds don't have it.

[certan]

Im not trying to lessen the value of the adjustablility. I already said I think its a good bed and I think the adjustablility is a good feature. Do you even read my post?

Im a firm beleiver that less is more with tanning beds. Ive been carrying High Pressure equipment since 93 and every year they got better and better when in actuality the output and the way they tanned didnt change that much they added a bunch of bells and whistles.

In my expeience the bells and whistles are just another thing to break and are usualy extremley expensive when they do.

I just prefer to have a basic set up.. Put it together, plug it in and walk away.

I have a SunSport which I love and tans great but if you loose a circuit board in one of those which has happend a few times over the years since I used to have 3 it cost you $600 bucks and thats just a referbished one not a new one. Then you have the cost of replacing broken cobalts, lift motars, touch pads and all that crap.

Its just not for me anymore.. Once you have been in this business as long as me you get real tired of owning equipment with such high maintence cost.

[Island Cove]

Rob and IslandCove are usually the worst

I just get so sick of hearing how great the magic is, even though i've read multiple issues with it on these boards, and seems like every year, there is another upgrade required. And its always the Magic owners touting this who have never Tanning in the Mastersun, some have never even seen it!

[Island Cove]

Everytime there is a post about the
Magic, there are always someone that sells another HP bed that
says mine is better.

Another thing that royaly pisses me off is that you believe I only say this about the MasterSun Because Rob sells it. I would be saying the same god damm shit regardless! There is a reason we chose to seek out to sell the MasterSun! Because we tried several HP units and loved the Mastersun the best! But its only salesman talk. Well then Same for the Magic. Most people touting the Magic are salesman, or get a kickback from their sales rep if they help him or her sell one!

[BIG AL]

Island, I want you to list all the upgrades that are needed for the Magic. There is only one, M-ug 6 glass, thats it. I have seen the
MasterSun in person twice. It looks like a very good copy of the Magic wiith some bright colored plastic on it. I have not tanned in it because at both of the shows that I have attended with it there, no one has asked me if I would like to try it.
I even stood there and talked for 10 minutes to the head guy that was from Italy and no offer. I talked to Rob no offer.

[Island Cove]

There is no power to them at the show's Al, the facility does not allow them to power them up. They would love to be able to.

there is a funky support that had to be retrofitted to keep the acrylic from breaking,

AS far as the whole Mastersun coping thing, you should realy realy look into that. See when Mastersun was first being designed. You will find out it was before the Magic. The magic general design was taken to sun italia by ex Sportarredo employee's. Oh by the way, guess where sun italia has their parts made from? Sportarredo. lol

How about the lamp refigurating on the newer models trying to get it right.

With the above information I believe the Magic was rushed through production to get it on the market before the mastersun, thus they didn't take the time to get it right the first time. Instead of just listening to what the salesman in the US tell you, do some investigation. But everyone on here does't want to hear this, so they won't bother.

[BIG AL]

I see where your anger comes from now. Sportarredo is supplying parts for a bed that kicks your bed's a$$.

As far as me getting something for touting the Magic, I have never
recieved one penny from anybody that sells the Magic. I have never sold a bed in my life, not even a used one. Most of the people you see on here that talk about the Magic are just salon owners. Most of the talk I hear about the MasterSun is from bed salesman.

When I was looking at the Magic, I got an offer to fly to California
on them to try the bed. When I looked at the MasterSun no one if asked
me where I was from to see if I was close enough to try one.

[Natureboy]

We should just start a new sub forum under High Pressure: Magic Vs Mastersun...please state arguements here.

It would save all the threads from getting destoyed.