Burning Clients in Leonardo.

[Island Cove]

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[Brian Oshman]

Originally Posted by Island Cove

your guys poll is stupid and won't shut me up. You men just can't stand a woman who can go head to head with you about HP and make points you just can dispute. The ones that want this poll Like mike, I've probably forgoten more about HP than he could dream of knowing. I'm the salon that HP owners fear, as they know I'm the one that could give them a run for their money, and do one hell of a job with it.

It has nothing to do with gender, it has to do with the fact that every time an HP bed topic comes up, you start bashing the Magic and everything else such as the post above bashing the Saturn and turn it into 'The only bed that is good enough is the Mastersun because it has zero problems' kind of rant.

No one is questioning what you know and you are well versed in the subject, it is just tiring to have to combat everything you say because it is not true. You are trying to lead the readers that all other machines are inferior to what you sell and make a profit from which is misleading and bias.

If you kept your opinions fair then there would not be 200 post threads arguing with you and there would be no polls voting on weather or not you should keep your mouth shut or not.

It has nothing to do with gender, it has to do with what you say, nothing more, nothing less. There is no reason to feel slighted for being a woman and no one here has tried to make it that so stop it with making up more stories that just are not there.

If you can stay on topic and have a debate then fine but don't always turn it into a bashing to glorify your bottom line. And stop deleting your posts and running home and stick around and prove that you can hang with the big boys, it leaves your credability in question when you do that.

[Island Cove]

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[Island Cove]

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[BIG AL]

You being a female has nothing to do with anything. Some of the most knowledgable and helpfull posters on the forums are female. It is your constant ranting and raving against the Magic and other HP beds that is your problem. Even Mike, who you quote so many times thinks you are full of it. Do you dream at night the Magic chasing you with a meter? Is that the problem?

It really come down to credibility. The posters that have defended the Magic and other Hp beds get exactly 0 money from the sale from the beds they defend. You on the other hand can not even be honest with yourself that you receive income from the sales of the Mastersun. There is no one supporting you in this onslaught against the Magic. You have a right to say whatever you want but we also have a right to point out your flawed and misinformed rants.

[Island Cove]

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[Natureboy]

Originally Posted by Island Cove

yes the leonardo will settle down, even my unit was a bit burning for the first 20 hours until the glass solorized. I would do no more than 12 min instead of 15 min. However, the leonardo will not calm down that much, and seeing is it reaches 4 meds in 12 minutes, It will be even more burning than the Matrix. When a salon has built there HP around being able to go a full session the first time without burning, only needind 3-5 sessions to tan, but even more importantly only needing to maintain it 2-3 times per month ( actualy i say 1-3 times per month as on true HP you only exfoliate once every 28 days, there for once a month is almost enough, once every 3 weeks is perfect.) but when you start dealing with a higher UVB, your skin will exfoliate sooner, thus your tan faiding faster, requiring more sessions to maintain. Not a big deal if you've never sold HP before, as you can structure your sales pitch around this, but when you've been a true HP salon for years, this can hurt. clients after a while will notice they have to tan more often, and they already pay a ton to tan on traditional HP, but to pay the same and have to come even more to maintain..... Also something else to consider. ONE traditional HP 360 unit can tan the same amount of people that you'd need 2-3 VHRs to do the same work, because of the few tans needed to get a tan and extremely few to maintain, Many more different people can be acomidated. now if they start exfoliating faster, needing even more sessions, the same person will have to come more often, thus lessoning the amount of different people you can put through that unit. Thus leading to needed yet another one to handle the same people one traditional unit could, meaning another unit cost, more lease space, more electrical. and this undoes any long lamp life you'd have got out of a magic as you'll have to relamp 2 units to tan the same amount of people your one Magic could have tanned. See how this virtualy undoes all reasons a salon owner puts in an HP unit for in the first place? Might as well spend Half the money or less and put in a VHR with 9k90's or something, thats what it amounts to. Its a shame this unit is that high in UVB. I wonder if one could get a downgrade glass to calm it down? I know Matrix calmed down their UVB this year.

What was this thread about again? Tammy, don't get so hooked on the UB 818 selling points, it is not the end all for all clients. That is why I have both styles.

This bed (The Leonardo) also puts out MUCH more UVA then a Matrix.

My new location will have new Magics, and a Saturn to accomodate both types of clients.

[dbl-a]

I wish people had to tan more in my Matrix! They use the bed less often and also less lotion. Most of my HP users buy good lotion.

[Island Cove]

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[BIG AL]

Originally Posted by Island Cove

Big Al, I'm trying to stay on topic here, try to do the same. take those posts over there where this stems from.

Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.

[Natureboy]

I should have just bought a Mastersun.

[Din]

wow...this poll is really taking off.

[EliteMike]

No Tammy, I just wanted to slap you for bringing the same things up more than once in the SAME thread. I have nothing against you personally. I'd never harm a woman....

[W8INLINE]

Tammy,

I have "traditional HP" at all my locations. I also have a Leonardo in one of them.

I am a skin type 3C

I love tanning in the sunsport platinum. I like it because I tan in it for FREE! ~~~it's about the relaxing experience

IF I was a paying customer and PAID expecting a tan worth $35 I would think twice about it, and probably look for a salon with kick a$$ vhr's.

I have been selling an average of 70% of all sessions on the king with mug 6 ~~~~STILL "TRADITIONAL HP" by industry standard~~~~~ and let me tell you this:

The amount of type 3+ skin types I have converted from my $15 VHR to the $35 Leo is well over 50% Jan. and Feb I averaged 15 sessions a day on the leo, and March that average jumped to 21.5/day

I have both "traditional hp" and the leo in one location, so why would i refuse an HP experience to people dark like myself?

the ones who use the leo are the ones who tried the platinum or king and then whent back to the $15 vhr's because as they say the vhr beds gives them more colour

have you ever had people tell you the mastersun sucks compared to your VHR's? yes you have.

Imagine now you having a unit priced the same as your mastersun that satisfies those people. and like James you have 3-4 other "traditional hp" units that you can actually recite that textbook HP explanation of yours.

I find people tanning on my "traditional HP" units tan an average of 2-4 times a month, while leo customers come in 4-5 times a month. Now....that is still not as frequent as my VHR customers.


going back on topic:


My computer says I have done about 1500 sessions on the leonardo, and even though I have not metered it in about 3 weeks the intensity level feels the same....so does the tan.
When I start my more fair customers at 7-8 minutes, with the facials on low there has never been an issue. I think the facial adjustment makes a big difference and the fact that it's backwards many get confused about it. <-- THAT IS THE ONLY ISSUE I have with this unit.

[Natureboy]

"the ones who use the leo are the ones who tried the platinum or king and then whent back to the $15 vhr's because as they say the vhr beds gives them more colour"

This is what I am finding too. It is a whole new experience.

[Drew]

Cmon guys...she's holding her own on HP here. I think she made some valid points too.

Guaranteed your tan will not last as long on the Saturn/Leo as a more gentle HP unit. It is just a fact. More B is more exfolitation/dry skin...no way around it.
Maybe you can buy some "HALO" from Designer. That dumb product with spf 4 in it that no one understood...it actually would be pretty good on the LEO for a full session so long as you put it on evenly all over your body.

Just remember..the Leo and Saturn are putting out VERY HIGH uv-a numbers vs a VHR bed with about the same uv-b..so they are definantly a step up from VHR and darker people or easy tanners will LOVE these beds. They are kinda like the canopy of the Future Sun HP!!!

[W8INLINE]

Cmon guys...she's holding her own on HP here. I think she made some valid points too.

She's holding her own because she's stating facts. Textbook responses which I am not arguing. I am not saying my tan last as long as traditional hp tans would. What I am saying is that I don't understand why she thinks (or so she comes across as) that the Leo would hurt James' sales or make him seem less credible to his clients since he cant sell it to them as he would his other hp's.

There IS a place in his salon for the leo ESPECIALLY because he has traditional HP's.

That's my point

[Natureboy]

Exactly. It is a different way of doing things by having both. And it books up just as much and more, so can't be losing out so far.

[solarmeter®]

There is more vitamin D from an HP on "steroids" too... for whatever that's worth.

No steroids: Traditional 818 ~0.5% UVB
Mini steroids: Magic 636 with original Italian glass, 2021's ~1.0% UVB
Moderate steroids: Magic 636 with MUG-6, Leonardo, Matrix ~1.5% UVB
Maxi steroids: Sammy's early BlackSuns ~3.X% UVB

I'm sure there are more that "fit" into each category....

Normally with HP's the MED/hr increases in proportion to the UVB... because the tiny lamps have similar spikey SPD's, but the filter and clear glass combo's vary.

[uv2021]

In a heavy HP enviorment the Saturn fits like a glove.About 17 on a med meter at the body.Not a lot of isuues with overexposure at all.