Burning Clients in Leonardo.

[Island Cove]

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[Brian Oshman]

Originally Posted by Island Cove

For now yes its brand new, of course it will be booked solid, but if he's charging the same as traditional HP, how long will it be before people start noticing that their tanning bill has almost doubled to maintain the tan.

George has already verified that that is not the case as the unit is more aggressive but the customers are not doubling their payments for the same tan and visiting just as much as the VHR units that they were tanning on. It is still staying as the average maintenance schedule that traditionally find with HP units.

You just like to argue, don't you?

Originally Posted by W8INLINE

Tammy,

I have "traditional HP" at all my locations. I also have a Leonardo in one of them.

I am a skin type 3C

I love tanning in the sunsport platinum. I like it because I tan in it for FREE! ~~~it's about the relaxing experience

IF I was a paying customer and PAID expecting a tan worth $35 I would think twice about it, and probably look for a salon with kick a$$ vhr's.

I have been selling an average of 70% of all sessions on the king with mug 6 ~~~~STILL "TRADITIONAL HP" by industry standard~~~~~ and let me tell you this:

The amount of type 3+ skin types I have converted from my $15 VHR to the $35 Leo is well over 50% Jan. and Feb I averaged 15 sessions a day on the leo, and March that average jumped to 21.5/day

I have both "traditional hp" and the leo in one location, so why would i refuse an HP experience to people dark like myself?

the ones who use the leo are the ones who tried the platinum or king and then whent back to the $15 vhr's because as they say the vhr beds gives them more colour

have you ever had people tell you the mastersun sucks compared to your VHR's? yes you have.

Imagine now you having a unit priced the same as your mastersun that satisfies those people. and like James you have 3-4 other "traditional hp" units that you can actually recite that textbook HP explanation of yours.

I find people tanning on my "traditional HP" units tan an average of 2-4 times a month, while leo customers come in 4-5 times a month. Now....that is still not as frequent as my VHR customers.


going back on topic:


My computer says I have done about 1500 sessions on the leonardo, and even though I have not metered it in about 3 weeks the intensity level feels the same....so does the tan.
When I start my more fair customers at 7-8 minutes, with the facials on low there has never been an issue. I think the facial adjustment makes a big difference and the fact that it's backwards many get confused about it. <-- THAT IS THE ONLY ISSUE I have with this unit.

[Island Cove]

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[Island Cove]

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[Natureboy]

Good grief. There is no hate on for you. I just wonder why you worry about what everyone else is doing so much.

Tammy, I can only hope you put all this energy into your own salons. And if so, I hope you can add this energy to it.

[Island Cove]

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[Brian Oshman]

Originally Posted by Island Cove

Brian a fully agree with this, I have no problems showing people how they will spend far more tanning on a VHR then on a traditional HP. Now with the leo, I bet it would be about even, so ya why not jump in the leo, instead of the VHR. However HP customers that only needed 1-3 tans per month to maintain their color now need more 3-5 tans, and this is when their cost increases.

Not sure about george or James salon, but one of the biggest selling features of high pressure for me is that Most can go a full session the very first time withought burning, and their skin doesn't toughen. now Minutes in salons are WAY more common in canada. almost all salons do those, Its a harder world in canada competing with minutes being the dominant, and so to tell a customer that they gotta pay $35 for a session to tan on an HP, but you can't go more than 7-9 min to start, this becomes even more difficult. We all know the flack we get with a point system when you tell a vhr client they need to start out 5-7 minutes, and thats about half the price of an HP drop in, or less.

I just thought that you didn't see his post and since he had his the longest so far since it is a brand new unit I was jusr making sure that you were not thinking that the customers were going to need a VHR type schedule on this as far as tan longevity goes.

[Natureboy]

I actually over-reacted. I did some checking and I personally burnt 2 people, the other guy said it was hot in the middle. I checked will ALL the staff and NO-ONE else has complained they were burnt.

So really, I have burnt more people in an 818 or Magic.

So nothing to worry about.

[solarmeter®]

Reading between the lines, and trying to put aside Tammy's sales interest, methinks she doesn't like any HP's with even some steroids because her business model is based on minutes.

More MED/hr = less minutes = less income per session. Yeah... that's it. That's why she protests so much against anything other than mild mannered HP where one can go "full minutes" on day one.

If she converted away from silly minutes to value based sessions... she would be less OCD.

OCD = obsessive compulsive disorder...

[EliteMike]

Mastersun is 15 mins

[solarmeter®]

That's 5 more minutes than a 10 min "steroid" HP bed at $? per minute.

[Brian Oshman]

Makes sense.

Minutes are death®

[uv2021]

Metered the Saturn today with a 7.0 .Held it on my hip.At about 1 minute it read 22 then just below 20 at 3 minutes and then to 15 for the rest.So average it out and see what you get in nine minutes.I think it works out to just under 3 meds.

Steve??


95 plus on a 5.0.

[solarmeter®]

Depends on how many minutes you were in it.

If you took a reading every minute and it averaged say 17 MED/hr then 240/17 = 14 min to 4 MEDs. So if you stayed in it 10.6 min that would be 3 MEDs (0.75 x 14).

Tammy would prefer say 12 MED/hr so 3 MEDs would take 15 min (20 to 4 MEDs).... so she could charge more minutes. Or if it was only 6 MED/hr avg she could charge 30 minutes lol. But she doesn't have a 7.0 meter so just guessing.

[Island Cove]

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[Island Cove]

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[Natureboy]

It should be VHR on nitrous, not steriods.

[Drew]

vhr on hgh. The average usage will be BETWEEN a vhr and a traditional hp unit.

15 mins is TOO long. Cant get people in every 20 mins realistically.

95 on a 5.0 meter? I would get that on my OLD saturn with new lamps. (supra of course). When I metered a new saturn at 235 volts that was a few months old...I was getting between 110 and 150 within a few inches of standard body position.

Thing about a Saturn is...parts of the body can be getting 4,5,6 meds in 10 mins if you are bigger or just if you measure at your shoulders etc.