lamp and glass change in magic

[John]

The Facials in the SClass are also 1000W, the Sungate are only run at 800W.

[solarmeter®]

John.... what do you mean by "interference filters"? What are they interfering with vs transmitting? Real IF's are extremely expensive in large sizes. Solarmeter sensors have interference filters to "reflect away" out-of-bandwidth irradiance and transmit only the desired rays (eg: UVB, MED).

Do you mean "mirror glass" to reflect back some IR? That is not termed an "interference filter". Neither is Schott clear glass varieties... they just have different transmission cut-off properties.

[RobertK]

FYI Last I looked the Sungate facials were only powered at 700 or 750. They kick butt at that!

Does anyone know what the S-Class facials are actually powered at?

[BIG AL]

I think they are 1000 watts but feel like 50,000 watts. It was the most uncomfortable facials I have ever tanned under.

[Brian Oshman]

The S-Class, Sungate, XTT, VIT, from ergo are all the mirrored single stage glass used with parabolic setups. They run hot and are high B.

The Mug-6 purple/clear is the best setup for HP still.

[BIG AL]

I can't imagine someone paying big money to tan more than once in the S-class unless they like wearing black leather studded suits.

[Brian Oshman]

Originally Posted by RobertK

FYI Last I looked the Sungate facials were only powered at 700 or 750. They kick butt at that!

Does anyone know what the S-Class facials are actually powered at?

S-Class runs a 1000 watt lamp at 720 watts. 3/160watt ballasts and 3/80 watt ballasts all in parallel.

Sungate runs a 1000 watt lamp at 800 watts.

[EliteMike]

Strangely, my clients didn't know I changed a thing on the magic last night

[RobertK]

Thanks Brian I figured they were somewhere in the 700-800w range like the Sungate. How did you come up with 800w on the gate? If I remember they were switchable form 550w to 750w or something like that.

I just check the 06 and newer wiring diagram it shows tapping the 300w and 400w so it would be 700w.

[John]

Solarmeter,
What you called mirrored is an Interference filter. It Interferes with the spectrum only allowing what it wants to pass through. The Blue Glass is an absorption filter, meaning it absorbs what it doesn't want to pass, therefore it solarizes. Mirrored filters are the same day 1 to day 1000, they do not solarize. No Schott currently does not make Interference filters. Ergoline/Heraeus pretty much have a corner on this market. Most new units are coming with this type of filter set up.

The Sungate Facials running at 750-800W easily performs like the 1200 watt lamp with Blue/Clear glass. More efficient.

They are even working on special coatings on top of the Blue Glass, to control IR, UVB, UVA better.

[BIG AL]

Like I said, if the Sungate facials are anything like the S-class facials, I can't imagine having a whole bed made up these. I could barely stand the S-class facials. I don't think I or anyone else could take the heat from a full bed of them.

[EliteMike]

The facials in my ProSun x7 are insanely hot as well, they have the mirrored look to them

[W8INLINE]

Originally Posted by BIG AL

Like I said, if the Sungate facials are anything like the S-class facials, I can't imagine having a whole bed made up these. I could barely stand the S-class facials. I don't think I or anyone else could take the heat from a full bed of them.

BigAl,

When you tanned in the sclass, were the facials set on high? I heard that they have something like 7 or 8 levels of adjustability....

[BIG AL]

They were what ever they had them on. They didn't tell me that there were different levels to the facials.

My Heartland 6400 has the mirror facials and they are 500 watts. They are a lot hotter than the 2000 watt facials on the Magic

[Brian Oshman]

Mug-6 solarizes in the first 10 hours then stabilizes and does not further solarize. This is according to the manufacturer, Schott.

[John]

Correction, on my above post. Schott does make coated filters in both Blue & Clear.

Here is a chart that shows the drop off of UV in blue Glass as compared to coated filters that Ergo/UWE/Heraeus use.

[solarmeter®]

The "Reflex 320" also transmits more visible from 400-500nm (and more IR near 780+nm).

But the key is much less dropoff in UVB transmission after 600+ hours.

[Jones]

Originally Posted by Brian Oshman

The Mug-6 purple/clear is the best setup for HP still.

I agree with Brian, BUT....the clear glass must be the Schott clear...not a Italian imitation!...SO if you change to Schott Mug 6 you also need to change to Schott clear...to get the BEST TRANSMISSION!

This is the reason for all the different meter readings as well as different results....

[EliteMike]

Jones, don't make me kick your butt, so you are telling me I need to buy new clear glass too along with my MUG 6.

This sucks! Why doesn't anyone tell the whole story right away!


I'm just kiddin about kicking your butt

[BIG AL]

Mike, you don't need to change the clear. It works just fine. Like I said, I wouldn't want to tan under the mirror glass filters for a whole bed. The heat would be unbearable. Even with the 500 watt lamps in my Heartland bed, it would be too hot, much less the 700-800 watt lamps that the Sungate and the S-class have. If you had that much heat for the whole bed, no one would use the bed.