lamp and glass change in magic

[EliteMike]

anyone know where I can get 3 sheets of MUG though?

[John]

Big Al,

Ergoline has used this "mirrored" glass for sometime in all it's HP units. So have many other OEM's . Ergoline 650, 850, 1050, Soltron Shark, UWE Sunboard,UWE P90, Futuresun HP, Tanses Entropy all all popular units that many people tan for 10-12 minutes no problem.

Also don't paint all the "mirrored" glass with the same brush. There are many different variations of coatings that be used to get desired output & wavelength.

One HP manufacturer has been working on a filter that mimics the exact spectral output of the lamp. Therefore you will get optimal efficiency at lower wattages. The downfall would be if you replaced the lamp with another brand, output may suffer.

I'm not bashing Blue Glass at all, it of course has it place. Almost all italian HP bed makers use it one way or another.

On the Clear Glass issue, Schott does make 6 different types. Type "316" for instance lets tons of UVB to pass. Where as type "326" lets very little UVB to pass.

[Leif Vasstrom]

Gentlemen, if I may say a few words.

Every once in a while, when new models of the more highend units come out, there is a discussion about "changing filter" glasses.

This is not the first time I have posted on these issues over the years. Changing filters is not just a simple thing of making a change, which when I read this thread, it is about knowing exactly what to do, or you may be making a serious mistake.

But first let me state that you first need to think about the reality of what you are doing without a written consent from the manufacturer and/or importer of record for the equipment:

1. Changing the filters will make the bed non-FDA compliant.
2. You cannot mix and match just any clear and blue glass, because, in some configurations the clear is the UVB filter, and in some it is the blue that is the UVB filter - and vice versa for the IR (infrared filter or heat shield) which means that you can serioulsy injure a customer which;
3. Makes you a wonderful target for a lawsuit because you have altered the unit. This is true even if someone is not seriously injured, simply sues you for a sunburn - you have nothing to fall back on, you made the change and no manufacturer will be able to help or assist you, nor should they be asked to do so. You are on your own. This is why it is unwise to even discuss matters like this in public.
4. The mirrored filters first used by Ergoline, and now by several others, is of course a stand alone filter and there is no reason to even discuss the properties of those. They are made for the particular unit they have been installed in and work just fine.

So I urge all of you, in the name of professionalism, that if you feel the need to discuss a change of filter glasses, talk to your manufacturers direct representative/importer, not even a distributor, because for the most part they would not know, nor should they exchange filters without the expressed consent and supply by the manufacturer/importer of record.

I say this with all due respect - to almost all the people - who have posted on this thread:
You are playing with fire and logically you should conclude that this is not an intelligent thing to do.

Leif Vasström
Principal
Supra Technologies

[EliteMike]

Not only is the MUG 6 an UPGRADE for the MAGIC, it was recommended by SUN ITALIA.

[BIG AL]

John, I can't quote wave length statistics and post graphs on output. I can only speak of my personal experiance. The time I went into the S-class was the worst experiance I have ever had in a tanning bed. I tried the bed to see if I was interested in it for a new salon that I was building. After a few minutes my face was screaming to get out of the bed but my brain said that I had payed my $24 and I was staying put. Needless to say I hated that bed.
The body part was fine but the facials were almost more than I could take.

The Heartland beds that I have use the mirror glass in them also and they get very warm but not in a "I want to rip my face off" kind of way. All of my other beds use the blue glass in the facials and they do not get any where close to the heat the mirror glass facials puts out. All I am saying is that if you had a HP bed with the mirror filters that the S-class has and it put out the same kind of heat that the S-class facials do, nobody would use the bed. I know I wouldn't.

[BIG AL]

Leif, the mug 6 glass is supplied by the importer and is approved for use in the Magic.

[SUNNYDAYS]

I have always wondered if the Magic was recertified with the Mug 6 glass with the FDA or are they just hoping they never have a problem with a lawsuit involving the unit.

Does anyone have in writing from the importer/distributor that they can put Mug 6 in the unit and that it meets all of the FDA requirements with the new glass setup?

[solarmeter®]

Not wanting to "play with fire" either.... but doesn't the Magic change to MUG-6 also come with a "recertification" label reducing Te time down from say 15min to 12min?

John... those Schott numbers 316, 320, 326 etc refer to the "half power point" of transmission.... just like their WG305, 320, 335, 345 etc small filter glass pieces do.

I agree with Leif: Since NO salon owners understand this stuff, they should never willy-nilly change kinds of filter or clear glass unless the actual mfgr/importer stands behind it for use with the recommended HP lamps.

[Din]

so does that mean i can't make the King more aggressive with changing my filters other than Mug6? I already put Supra lamps in and there was no difference over the OEM lamps that came with it which i believe are Radium lamps.

Filter swapping is the only way to increase UVB. So now what?

[BIG AL]

Solarmeter, I didn't change any filters. The beds were installed with the mug 6 glass already in them by the importer.

[EliteMike]

Magic pre mug six was 12 mins, Patryk told me nothing needed to be changed as far as exposure chart.

[solarmeter®]

Weird... jmho

Probably time to 4 MEDs was really 15+ minutes with Italian glass... and closer to 12 minutes with MUG-6. If so then original label was just overly conservative... just like many HP's where only 2-3 MEDs are all that's needed full session.

When the "steroid" thing started... that old safety factor goes away.

[John]

Leif, Good post, thanks for the input.

[Jones]

Mug 6 performs as per specs when used with correct clear glass...PERIOD!

[Natureboy]

When the "steroid" thing started... that old safety factor goes away.

Nitrous thing.