lamp and glass change in magic

[superboy]

just updated my magic to mug 6 and did a lamp change - supra

5.0 165
6.0 2.15
7.0 20

that is alot of big numbers compared to how this bed has run from day 1.
4 meds per session with tha huge uvb number

i am pretty freaked out right now...at 12 minutes am i going to start burning everyone????
or
is this normal and i should just chill out...my VHR's dont put out 2.15uvb

brad
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lower is all set to 1 and upper is all at 2 with facials on 5 and rst255

i still am using the xtra sheets of mug on lower middle column to reduce that heat

previous
5.0115-120
6.0 .70
7.0 6-7

[solarmeter®]

That's the strongest numbers I've seen posted for a 636.

The UVA went up 38%. That would be primarily the new Supra lamps.

But the UVB and MED basically trippled. That would be the lamps and glass. Was the original glass dirty/dusty or clean? Solarization is normally only 10% max.

You could try a science fair project with a piece of old vs new glass. Check readings with and without the glass pieces to noon sun (or to VHR) and see what the transmission differences are.

Probably the Mug-6 will only transmit maybe double the B and MEDs... so the rest of increase would be due to actual lamps having more percent shortwave UV. If you had old vs new clear glass... include that in your science fair project too. The clear is supposed to reduce IR heat... but it also reduces UVB - some kinds more than others.

The bed will calm down some when the new glass solarizes ~10%... but you'll still have to start people out at less than a full session imho until the lamps age down more.

Beware.... Island Cove may let loose if she reads this thread! I can sumarize her 15 long posts into about 3 sentences: Hey - now you're on steroids. The old readings were just fine - about what a new Mastersun does. Now new people can't go full time, and their skin will exfoliate faster.... etc.

[uv2021]

Check ypur voltage.Those numbers are too high.At 165 I do not see a comfortable experience.Mug six reduces the heat and kicks the b up.But even with mug six the bed is not a burner.

[BIG AL]

The Supra lamps do kick the output up quite a bit. I put Supra in the facials along with the standard lamps in the rest of the bed. I put the lamps on level 2 and the facials on level 3, just like it was set up when the bed was new. The facials pegged the meter over 200. I dropped the facials back down to level 1 and they still metered 157. Over time they settled in to 140. I never burnt anyone. Facials on 5 with brand new lamps is too high. Put every lamp on level 1 and see what the output is.

I am taking for granted that you put the clear glass back in.

[EliteMike]

do you have double mug 6 under the back? or the single clear and mug6 like it comes with?

are the lamps labeled where I can tell what is in mine, it was relamped when I got it. that thing has to be bitchin hot.

what do you drop down to if upper is all on 2 except face? and we are all assuming you did your measurements at the acrylic and not at the lamps. that's the number I like to see at the lamps on my machine

[solarmeter®]

Yes... I forgot to ask: Were the meters on bench acrylic pointing up... or even at belly-button position pointing up? Don't take "at the lamps' surface" readings.

[superboy]

yes at the acrylic
and when i got the bed new back in 2004 i switched out the clear glass to a thicker clear that allowed more B..not uncommon at that time
but yes i could do that project solar as i have 2 different clears and 2 different blue sheets

and the column below your body has the complete cassett with an xtra sheet of mug 6 just sitting on top. does a great job of eliminating that focused heat.

now, after that initial post we have run many people through the magic overnight and this morning - it is the most enjoyable tan i have ever had in a magic or platinum system. the heat that the bed has put out session after session since being installed is gone, still warm but so pleasent, no longer painfully hot.

so far no burns or even redness, just great color. very bizarre to see that uvb and med amount and not be sending you home red.

anyway, just sharing my shocking to me info and looking for some feedback. i will be at that store again on monday and will mess it with some more and see how it does.

b

[EliteMike]

again, do you have double stacked mug 6 on those 3 under your body?

Is anyone else using dual mug 6 on those 3 lamps? I have the clear and then MUG

[Din]

Originally Posted by EliteMike

again, do you have double stacked mug 6 on those 3 under your body?

Is anyone else using dual mug 6 on those 3 lamps? I have the clear and then MUG

what the hell are you talking about, double stacked mug 6?

There is an upgraded clear glass and the mug6 blue glass. What are you double stacking?

Are we still talking tanning beds here or burgers? I'm confused. Did i miss something that you can do to increase performance?

[EliteMike]

superboy stated

"i still am using the xtra sheets of mug on lower middle column to reduce that heat"

"and the column below your body has the complete cassett with an xtra sheet of mug 6 just sitting on top. does a great job of eliminating that focused heat."

I'm wondering if he has 2 sheets in there. The magic has three lamps under the head to lower back that have the blue filter, clear, then mug. That is the way mine came when I got it. So when I ordered mug 6, i only needed 27 sheets

[Din]

You learn something new everyday.....i thought all columns on the King, SS Platinum and Magic where the same.

My columns are just the clear and the Mug6. The facial is the one with the slotted filters (not a full sheet.)

[EliteMike]

so you have blue filter, clear then mug?

[Din]

Lamp -->Mug 6 dark blue filter-->clear glass

that's it. the cartridge holds only 2 filters, not 3.

[EliteMike]

hmm, weird. where are the magic owners! the blue filter I'm talking about is the deep one that apparently if it cracks the UVC comes through.

I only have clear glass on 3 of the cartridges.

[BIG AL]

The mug 6 glass goes next to the lamp and then the clear glass.
The clear glass goes on all the cartridges.

[solarmeter®]

very bizarre to see that uvb and med amount and not be sending you home red.

The "red" or erythema doesn't show up for 12-24 hours after exposure. Check on customers tomorrow.

[superboy]

the cassett holds mug6 then clear and then ...i have another mug 6 sitting on top for a total of 3 sheets of glass. the acrylic fits oevr it just fine. i will take a picture and post it if i make time.

it only holds 2 pieces of glass. i added an xtra to eliminate heat and it does just that.

b

[EliteMike]

okay, guys, mine is not like that at all. Mine is a 2003 does that make it different

it goes lamp, then filter that doesn't slide out easily, deep blueish. on 27 of the cartidges it only holds one pain of removable glass, which is the MUG 6 on mine.

If everyone has an extra sheet of glass that I don't, that might explain why mine is soo much hotter.

[solarmeter®]

that might explain why mine is soo much hotter.

Gee - I guess so!

Maybe 2003 was the "guini pig"(sp) year for 636's? You better not try new Supra lamps in that. They would be hotter and too much UV with no clear glass. Maybe the cassettes can be retrofitted to hold 2 sheets of glass? But likely too expensive.

[sparky]

Two sheets of glass standard, even from a 2003 model.

Originally came with Italian glass for both.

the 'blue' glass had 'wrinkles in it, and the clear was much thinner.

The reason the first layer from the lamp is hard to remove, is there are 4 spring clips that should be removed BEFORE the glass is extracted.

Clear glass definitely cuts off the infrared heat.

Good news is that the clear is much cheaper than the MUG6!

Visions of TA Matrix/Tornado on this one