HP and Outdoor Tanning

[quiettime]

I read in a post about HP that tanning outside (natural sunlight) will stop the effects of HP tanning. If it takes 3 tans to get a good tan with the HP, if you go tan at the beach (which I am near) you will have to start the HP process over again. Can someone explain this to me?

[theislandtan]

Originally Posted by quiettime

I read in a post about HP that tanning outside (natural sunlight) will stop the effects of HP tanning. If it takes 3 tans to get a good tan with the HP, if you go tan at the beach (which I am near) you will have to start the HP process over again. Can someone explain this to me?

I don't see how that could be true. I would think outdoor tanning combined with HP would make for a better tan.

[mgj]

You do not build up a tolerance to UVB when you use HP. I recently installed a magic in my salon, I was only tanning in the magic. I went to my daughters cheerleading/football game on Sunday, and I cooked. The left side of my face is still peeling, I am Dutch, blonde, and blue eyed. I have never tanned well. Now I can develop a tan with tanning beds, although my face still gets red. Any way, I believe the post you refernced is in regards to exfoliation cycles, then yes that also would start over.

[quiettime]

Thank you for setting me straight. I appreciate you help.

[W8INLINE]

The idea is that with HP you don't need to tan often to keep that tan. Exposing yourself to the sun, LP beds or any other "higher uv-b" type, your exfoliation increases and the rule of 3 tans a month on HP goes out the window....

mgj...i disagree...you CAN build tolerance with HP...why wouldn't you? Have you metered the magic and compared it to the readings of beds you suggest using to build that B tolerance?

[Island Cove]

you just dont build as much tolerance to uvb, that is why you need to excersise caution when an HP tanner goes into an LP unit.

[W8INLINE]

Yes you do

[Din]

You wouldn't get a tan in an HP bed if there wasn't UVB. Therefore you are exposed to UVB in an HP bed, which will build your tolerance as well as give you a tan.

Otherwise, you'd go in an HP bed and come out the same colour you went in if there was no UVB.

C'mon people....this goes back to how the skin tans. An HP bed is no different, other than the amount of UVB/UVA mixture which allows you to have a longer lasting tan and less drying of the skin. A UV tan is a UV tan.

MGJ...you would have burned regardless cuz you're a HONKY like me...

[W8INLINE]

Tammy....isn't 1.5% b on a bed that meters 100 just like the b output of a bed with 3% b that meters 50?

So a typical HP session vs. a typical VHR with a 3% lamp should build about the same tol. no?

[Island Cove]

The UVB, on a base bed it closer to the UVC side of the B spectrum, making it a harsher more piercing B! the light spectrum doesn't just go UVA on one Point, UVB on one point and uvc on one point, it flows into one another. I believe, correct me if i'm wrong, there is 100 nm within each spectrum?

The uvb on an HP unit is a gentler UVB, more of a browning burn. The UVB is closer to the UVA side of the uvb spectrum.

If it were the same, why would your customers not Fry going a full HP session the first time? And don't give me the BS of all the uva, because if its your first time and you've had no melonin stimulation yet, and your white, there is no way the uva can tan you yet!

Also then explain why clients who have gone from HP to LP and felt they could go a full session, fried their arses off? (usualy this was done at a different salon, or by a new employee not yet "getting it") Would you send your HP client into a lp unit for a full session and know they would not FRY? I think not.

The UVB itself is DIFFERENT!

[Island Cove]

Just get your white a$$ business partner to try it. Tan only in the king for a while, then do a full session any one of your LP units and see how well he fares. lol

You don't count with your skin, what type 4?

[Island Cove]

Something else I just remembered while out walking, the 5.0 meter should be left right out of the equation because the higher the uvb in a unit, the lower the 5.0 reading will be, and the lower the uvb , the higher the 5.0 reading will be, and this is why you should never compair like beds based on 5.0 readings as to the Tanning ability.

Yes you need UVB to stimulate melonin production Din, and yes HP units have uvb, but a gentler, different uvb. My employee was just reminding me of last year when my brand new employee put my long time HP customer into a vhr just to use up her last points. She looked at the tanning history and saw that she was always doing 15 minutes each tan, so she put the lady in the VHR for 15 minutes as well. Well My other employee ended up driving to the womans house to bring her a bottle of relief and says the woman was so burnt that she was swollen. Are you confident in advising other salons that you build the same UVB resistance? Uvb also causes your skin to thicken, which does not happen on an HP unit, that is why your skin feels so soft after an HP session instead of leathery and rough

[W8INLINE]

I disagree again Tammy.... What do you mean by full session?

You never go for a "full session" in your HP....you only tan for the amount of time the mastersun manufacturer tells you to....

I bet a 15 minute session (full session) in your mastersun does not reach 4MEDS, but a full session in your VHR probably does. Which explains the statement below...

She looked at the tanning history and saw that she was always doing 15 minutes each tan, so she put the lady in the VHR for 15 minutes as well. Well My other employee ended up driving to the womans house to bring her a bottle of relief and says the woman was so burnt that she was swollen.

If the HP unit reaches 2MEDs in 15 minutes, the EQUIV. session in a VHR (which should reach 4MED's in 15 min.) should have been 7-8 minutes.

[Island Cove]

Alright, I understand what your saying, however the uvb is still a gentler uvb, not as severe of a burning. But also, the fact remains that we dont put clients in longer than the max session posted on the units, and for that reason also the client will apear to be very tanned but will still easily burn outside and on LP units, and the uvb from outside and lp units are still a more severe uvb and will cause the skin to prematurely exfoliate, thus undoing the long lasting HP tan.

Would you not agree that if you crossed into the uvc side of the spectrum that you would experience a severe burn? do you think there is a wall between the uvb and uvc that cuts one off from the other? no, it flows into one another, and the lp lamps have a uvb closer to the uvc making it more harsh. There is also no wall between the uva and uvb, they flow into one another, And HP has uvb closer to uva side, making it not as harsh.

Freak you'd believe it if it came from oshmans mouth now wouldn't you?

[Din]

if it crossed into the UVC side of the spectrum, it will be a germicide and you will die.

There is a reason Oshman doesn't say stuff like that though....so it wouldn't come out of his mouth. Doesn't matter who says it Island Cove. Why do you think this is a thread against you? It's not....it's about what is right and what is wrong.

[Island Cove]

i don't think its a thread against me, i just don't think you trust in my knowlege, but i'll have you know I LEARNED IT FROM OSHMAN!

[Island Cove]

Okay so if you want to use meds, if my base bed goes to 4 meds in a 20 minute session, then it would be safe to say that a 10 minute session would be 2 meds, am i correct? So I fry my a$$ in 10 minutes on my base units, yet i have tanned beyond the tan time on HP and do not burn! Please explain this then?

Okay, so 3.5percent uvb is only relevent to its lamp, meaning that 3.5percent of the lamps output is uvb. so if the lamp is a 160 watt lamp, then that would meen that 5.6 watts is uvb, and 154.4 watts is uva. if 1.5 percent is uvb of your 1000 watt hp lamp, then 15 watts is uvb, and 985 watts is uva. so when you look at that, one would presume an Hp unit has more uvb but then why don't I burn on HP in a full session that equals 2meds, but fry my butt on a base unit in 2 meds. And a base unit usualy has about 5uvb which is 5watts on a 100 lamp, leaving 95 watts of uva. so look at the 3 and tecnicaly you have the least amount of b from a base unit, yet I will fry in 10 minutes, and i meen so bad i had to wear no undies and loose cloths for about 3 days, yet i can tan for 10 minutes in my 160 watt vhr, which is about 2.6 meds and get just slightly pink. Or blast a full session in Hp and not get even slightly pink, infact i've gone beyond a full session. EXPLAIN PLEASE!

Seeing is I obviously have no clue in what i'm talking about.

[W8INLINE]

Tammy, I am not saying you're wrong when you talk about the UV spectrum....I just don't think someone with "5 full sessions" under their belt of lamps closer to 315nm would notice a huge difference doing one "full session" on a lamp peaking closer to 280nm.

[Island Cove]

then please tell that to the lady that was so fried after doing 6 Hp sessions, and even did a 6 minute lp session, then was thrown in for a full 15 minute session on my vhr, that she was swollen and , even her fingers, so my employee just said. Tell her she can do a full LP session after HP and see what she has to say to you!

[W8INLINE]

I'll tell her that the people who use VHR equipment for 15 minutes are idiots.....I don't know ANY true VHR system to be 15 minutes