Help, convert Sportaredo Hp To Single Phase? - TanToday

HotBod · 29th September 2009, 12:14 PM

I am hoping I can get some tips here for a problem I am having. I have a sportaredo mattress HP bed and I have been getting quotes from electricians on rewiring the room for 3 phase.

They all want round 2k to do this because the bed is far from the panel and they need to rewire everything and even put in new conduit piping to make the room 3 phase to run the bed.

I have been told that the bed can be converted to single phase which would save me a TON of money but I was also told that the bed will use a lot more energy if it is ran in single phase...

Also, the bed requires 230 v and the salon only is set up for 220.

Any ideas? suggestions?

unity · 29th September 2009, 12:19 PM

What is the breaker size requirement for this bed when setup as 3 phase?

I am thinking on single it could exceed 100 amp and most panels will not support a breaker beyond that.

I just had 3 phase ran to a room with an HP. Cost was $300. I think you may want to shop around more. You may also want to supple the cable yourself. if you go aluminum you have to increase size and thus conduit size, but you can save some serious $ going that way.

HotBod · 29th September 2009, 12:26 PM

I am not sure of the breaker size requirements?

300 dollars is a great deal. They are quoting me so high because my salon is in a town where people have $ to spend and lots of it.

unity · 29th September 2009, 12:35 PM

Well you need to know the breaker size requirement. I am sure someone here does. But you cant even get a quote started without knowing the breaker amperage requirement since wire and thus conduit sizes will be based off that.

The problem being that the bed may require 80 three phase, but 120 single phase. Which is why at times it actually IS cheaper staying three phase. It was in my case.

HotBod · 29th September 2009, 12:38 PM

The amps the bed uses is 42 it says so in the manual

John · 29th September 2009, 12:59 PM

Call Sportarredo direct, I'm sure they can help you or put you in touch with a tech who can help.

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theislandtan · 29th September 2009, 02:20 PM

The bed pulls around 50 amps in three phase and would probably pull around 80 amps in single. I think Brian knows how to rewire the bed if you can reach him.

I ran the bed on 6 gauge wire and 60 amps breakers. You'll probably need a bigger wire for single phase.

northtanman · 29th September 2009, 03:04 PM

she needs a 3 phase panel before she can do anything. you can't get 3 phase from a single phase panel. thats why she's getting $2,000 bids. or, do you have a 3 phase panel?

HotBod · 29th September 2009, 03:08 PM

I am a guy

and yes I have 2 panels, 1 is 3phase and the other is single.

mgj · 29th September 2009, 03:55 PM

Then piping a room should not be that much. See what size conduit is going to the room, then ask Sparky (hence the name) if you can get 4 wires through it and how much LUBE. IF you can't squeeze the wire through the existing then you will have to run new conduit to the room. A pain to do while open.

Check around someone usually knows an electrician, and have him pull it on a Sunday when you are slow, and pay $$$ green.

HotBod · 29th September 2009, 04:04 PM

Yeah i was thinking about asking them to squeeze the wire in but the only problem is the conduit that the room is on now only runs to the panel that is set up with single phase..

The 3 phase panel is 5 feet to the left of the single

mgj · 29th September 2009, 05:39 PM

Easier to move and repipe 5 ft than 80 to your room, tell your elec. you will do the pulling he can push. I about died pulling in my HP room 80ft at 6" or so at a full strength pull took over an hour, very tight squeeze but we got her. Arms were like rubber bands when done.

BodyBronze · 29th September 2009, 07:33 PM

you need at least 3/4in conduit to pull 3 number 6 thhn wires and use the conduit as your ground as long as its metal emt pipe or chop the pipe off going to your single ph panel goto home depot get a couple 90 degree elbows and a length of pipe and pipe it into the 3ph panel.

BodyBronze · 29th September 2009, 07:43 PM

heres a rigid conduit fill table measure your current conduit size and compair to see if you electrician is stroking you on that cost if you want to go 3ph and you need at least 3 number 6wire conductors you need 3/4in pipe to go single phase on an 80 amp circuit you need 2 number4 wire conductors so you still need an 3/4in pipe so see what you have. it you only have 1/2 inch your screwed and need bigger pipe

http://www.jhlarson.com/ind_tables/fill/emtfill.htm

HotBod · 29th September 2009, 07:45 PM

All of this info is great. Tomorrow I am going to call around and see if I can get some better people in here.

I will also measure the pipe tomorrow and let you guys know what size it is. I really appreciate everyones input

29th September 2009, 12:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
HotBod Rookie Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 31	Help, convert Sportaredo Hp To Single Phase? I am hoping I can get some tips here for a problem I am having. I have a sportaredo mattress HP bed and I have been getting quotes from electricians on rewiring the room for 3 phase. They all want round 2k to do this because the bed is far from the panel and they need to rewire everything and even put in new conduit piping to make the room 3 phase to run the bed. I have been told that the bed can be converted to single phase which would save me a TON of money but I was also told that the bed will use a lot more energy if it is ran in single phase... Also, the bed requires 230 v and the salon only is set up for 220. Any ideas? suggestions?

29th September 2009, 12:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
unity Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,105	Re: Help, convert Sportaredo Hp To Single Phase? What is the breaker size requirement for this bed when setup as 3 phase? I am thinking on single it could exceed 100 amp and most panels will not support a breaker beyond that. I just had 3 phase ran to a room with an HP. Cost was $300. I think you may want to shop around more. You may also want to supple the cable yourself. if you go aluminum you have to increase size and thus conduit size, but you can save some serious $ going that way. __________________ “There is only so much logical space in our universe,” Binette said. “Think of it like a Chinese take-out box stuffed with Kung-Pao Shrimp. The more shrimp you stuff in, some shrimp pop out the bottom."

29th September 2009, 12:26 PM	#3 (permalink)
HotBod Rookie Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 31	Re: Help, convert Sportaredo Hp To Single Phase? I am not sure of the breaker size requirements? 300 dollars is a great deal. They are quoting me so high because my salon is in a town where people have $ to spend and lots of it.

29th September 2009, 12:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
unity Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,105	Re: Help, convert Sportaredo Hp To Single Phase? Well you need to know the breaker size requirement. I am sure someone here does. But you cant even get a quote started without knowing the breaker amperage requirement since wire and thus conduit sizes will be based off that. The problem being that the bed may require 80 three phase, but 120 single phase. Which is why at times it actually IS cheaper staying three phase. It was in my case. __________________ “There is only so much logical space in our universe,” Binette said. “Think of it like a Chinese take-out box stuffed with Kung-Pao Shrimp. The more shrimp you stuff in, some shrimp pop out the bottom."

29th September 2009, 12:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
HotBod Rookie Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 31	Re: Help, convert Sportaredo Hp To Single Phase? The amps the bed uses is 42 it says so in the manual

29th September 2009, 12:59 PM	#6 (permalink)
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29th September 2009, 02:20 PM	#7 (permalink)
theislandtan Resident Idiot Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,141	Re: Help, convert Sportaredo Hp To Single Phase? The bed pulls around 50 amps in three phase and would probably pull around 80 amps in single. I think Brian knows how to rewire the bed if you can reach him. I ran the bed on 6 gauge wire and 60 amps breakers. You'll probably need a bigger wire for single phase.

29th September 2009, 03:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
northtanman Hall of Famer Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,971	Re: Help, convert Sportaredo Hp To Single Phase? she needs a 3 phase panel before she can do anything. you can't get 3 phase from a single phase panel. thats why she's getting $2,000 bids. or, do you have a 3 phase panel?

29th September 2009, 03:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
HotBod Rookie Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 31	Re: Help, convert Sportaredo Hp To Single Phase? I am a guy and yes I have 2 panels, 1 is 3phase and the other is single.

29th September 2009, 03:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
mgj Hall of Famer Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,169	Re: Help, convert Sportaredo Hp To Single Phase? Then piping a room should not be that much. See what size conduit is going to the room, then ask Sparky (hence the name) if you can get 4 wires through it and how much LUBE. IF you can't squeeze the wire through the existing then you will have to run new conduit to the room. A pain to do while open. Check around someone usually knows an electrician, and have him pull it on a Sunday when you are slow, and pay $$$ green.

29th September 2009, 04:04 PM	#11 (permalink)
HotBod Rookie Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 31	Re: Help, convert Sportaredo Hp To Single Phase? Yeah i was thinking about asking them to squeeze the wire in but the only problem is the conduit that the room is on now only runs to the panel that is set up with single phase.. The 3 phase panel is 5 feet to the left of the single

29th September 2009, 05:39 PM	#12 (permalink)
mgj Hall of Famer Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,169	Re: Help, convert Sportaredo Hp To Single Phase? Easier to move and repipe 5 ft than 80 to your room, tell your elec. you will do the pulling he can push. I about died pulling in my HP room 80ft at 6" or so at a full strength pull took over an hour, very tight squeeze but we got her. Arms were like rubber bands when done.

29th September 2009, 07:33 PM	#13 (permalink)
BodyBronze All Star Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 183	Re: Help, convert Sportaredo Hp To Single Phase? you need at least 3/4in conduit to pull 3 number 6 thhn wires and use the conduit as your ground as long as its metal emt pipe or chop the pipe off going to your single ph panel goto home depot get a couple 90 degree elbows and a length of pipe and pipe it into the 3ph panel.

29th September 2009, 07:43 PM	#14 (permalink)
BodyBronze All Star Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 183	Re: Help, convert Sportaredo Hp To Single Phase? heres a rigid conduit fill table measure your current conduit size and compair to see if you electrician is stroking you on that cost if you want to go 3ph and you need at least 3 number 6wire conductors you need 3/4in pipe to go single phase on an 80 amp circuit you need 2 number4 wire conductors so you still need an 3/4in pipe so see what you have. it you only have 1/2 inch your screwed and need bigger pipe http://www.jhlarson.com/ind_tables/fill/emtfill.htm Last edited by BodyBronze; 29th September 2009 at 07:47 PM..

29th September 2009, 07:45 PM	#15 (permalink)
HotBod Rookie Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 31	Re: Help, convert Sportaredo Hp To Single Phase? All of this info is great. Tomorrow I am going to call around and see if I can get some better people in here. I will also measure the pipe tomorrow and let you guys know what size it is. I really appreciate everyones input

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