Matrix L33

[Owner#1]

Does anyone know where to get inexpensive ISO lamps for a high pressure Matrix L33?

[hlbookit]

Originally Posted by Owner#1

Does anyone know where to get inexpensive ISO lamps for a high pressure Matrix L33?

Thats a good question, I don't know of anyone that sells the ISO lamps besides Tan America. I know Heraeus made a compatible lamp but TA had some intial problems with them. You might try Jeff V at Heartland and see if he has something compatible. It would be nice to find a competive alternative.

Dave

[Erik Woll]

ISO lamps are available only from TanAmerica, we do also offer Heraeus. I know we try our best to match any verifiable competitve offer.

[John]

Erik,

Barry Canter at Hollywood Sun claims to be the Importer of ISO HP lamps.

Are his fakes?

They have the ISO label etched right on the quartz glass?

[Erik Woll]

Without seeing the lamps, I would not feel right saying they are fakes. I do not believe these are the ISO factory original lamps. I dont know if photos are available, but that would clear things up. I suspect they are Light Emmision lamps.

Originally Posted by John

Erik,

Barry Canter at Hollywood Sun claims to be the Importer of ISO HP lamps.

Are his fakes?

They have the ISO label etched right on the quartz glass?

[Pumpkin]

ISO Light lamps are manufactured at the Mueller/QDM facility in Germany. Future Industries has them under the AUVL brand -- same OEM's as ISO light, different branding, better price.

[John]

Erik,

The ISO Lamps from Hollywood sun actually say ISO Light right on the glass, just like yours, the only difference is that they have white ends & yours have the polished blue ceramics????

Is there anyway you can contact ISO & see if they are selling maybe a cheaper version?

[Erik Woll]

I know this may be a tall order to fill, but I would consider it a personal favor if someone could email me a photo Erik@tanamerica.com

Originally Posted by John

Erik,

The ISO Lamps from Hollywood sun actually say ISO Light right on the glass, just like yours, the only difference is that they have white ends & yours have the polished blue ceramics????

Is there anyway you can contact ISO & see if they are selling maybe a cheaper version?

[Erik Woll]

I forwarded this entire post of this discussion to ISO Italia. This is ISO Italia's response.

" The real I.SO ITALIA lamps are shipped directly from the I.SO Italia facilities to TAN AMERICA factory after being carefully tested one by one.Unfortunately we cannot know if there have been manufacturers who could have copied our lamps and how did they eventually do it ( kind of metal inside, quality of gas, quantity of quarz etc. etc.) what kind of output they have and how long do they last...
For sure, if they do not directly come from our distributor, they are not I.SO ITALIA original lamps."

[Peter]

OK, here is the deal. Tan America USED to have polished blue end caps on the 620W Iso lamp. Now the 620W Iso lamps that TA sells have white or plain ceramic looking end caps. Dont know what the deal is with that.

Hollywood Sun sells an Iso 620W lamp with non gloss blue end caps like TA USED to sell but at $20 cheaper per lamp. IT IS AN ISO LITE LAMP AND NOT AN IMITATION. Dont know what the hell is going on there. Wondering IF the new TA Iso lamp is now FDA approved where it wasnt before as they now use the FDA quartz. The Iso lamp from Hollywood Sun had very close to the same exact output as the older TA Iso lamps with about the same B. Seems to be same exact lamp. Dont think Iso Lite would go for another Company putting their name on different lamps. They are Iso Lite lamps.

Pumpkin, are you SURE about the AUVL lamps. My understanding is the original Iso lamps that TA sold were made in Italy and not Germany. Are they 620W lamps??.

[Erik Woll]

The thread came to my attention, I forwarded the thread to ISO Italia. The statement of fact below speaks for itself.

" The real I.SO ITALIA lamps are shipped directly from the I.SO Italia facilities to TAN AMERICA factory after being carefully tested one by one.Unfortunately we cannot know if there have been manufacturers who could have copied our lamps and how did they eventually do it ( kind of metal inside, quality of gas, quantity of quarz etc. etc.) what kind of output they have and how long do they last...
For sure, if they do not directly come from our distributor, they are not I.SO ITALIA original lamps."

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I have never heard of the company this thread lists, ISO Italia has never heard of them. I am not saying they do not have a SECRET lamp deal that ISO Italia does not know about.

TanAmerica lamps, all of them have always been FDA approved. We have never offered non FDA approved lamps.

Any way, TanAmerica has been in business for 24 years, has a great reputation- Lamp and lotion dept is open for business - you know how to reach us.

PS ISO Italia, and all of its product names are registered trade marks. This means they are owned and protected.

Originally Posted by Peter

OK, here is the deal. Tan America USED to have polished blue end caps on the 620W Iso lamp. Now the 620W Iso lamps that TA sells have white or plain ceramic looking end caps. Dont know what the deal is with that.

Hollywood Sun sells an Iso 620W lamp with non gloss blue end caps like TA USED to sell but at $20 cheaper per lamp. IT IS AN ISO LITE LAMP AND NOT AN IMITATION. Dont know what the hell is going on there. Wondering IF the new TA Iso lamp is now FDA approved where it wasnt before as they now use the FDA quartz. The Iso lamp from Hollywood Sun had very close to the same exact output as the older TA Iso lamps with about the same B. Seems to be same exact lamp. Dont think Iso Lite would go for another Company putting their name on different lamps. They are Iso Lite lamps.

Pumpkin, are you SURE about the AUVL lamps. My understanding is the original Iso lamps that TA sold were made in Italy and not Germany. Are they 620W lamps??.

[Mysterioso]

Don't believe that. ISO doesn't make lamps. And they sure as hell don't test them one by one.

You have to be pretty green in this industry to believe that.

Tan America used to pl their low pressure lamps from Light Source. They told everyone they made them. When LS put Made by Light Source on the lamp, TA dumped them as a supplier cause their game was up.

Any 610 or 700 or 500 watt hp that fits in the holder will work. Not all lamps are made equally, meter them and track lamp life.

Matrix eats lamps like a hungry tiger. Costs you a fortune to relamp that bitc.h

[BedFixr]

Double check your source Mysterioso. Most EVERY high pressure Quartz lamp (regardless of whether it is for tanning or not) is hand made, thus individually tested and much more costly to make. The Matrix as well as most other well made equipment burns OEM lamps as advertised. Yes, we'd all like them to last longer but every lamp change means you're making $. (As for using any lamp that'l fit in the socket....what are you thinking!?)

You get what you pay for & if it sounds too good to be true........yup, it probably is.

[Erik Woll]

BedFixr, I could not have said it better myself.

Originally Posted by BedFixr

Double check your source Mysterioso. Most EVERY high pressure Quartz lamp (regardless of whether it is for tanning or not) is hand made, thus individually tested and much more costly to make. The Matrix as well as most other well made equipment burns OEM lamps as advertised. Yes, we'd all like them to last longer but every lamp change means you're making $. (As for using any lamp that'l fit in the socket....what are you thinking!?)

You get what you pay for & if it sounds too good to be true........yup, it probably is.

[Pumpkin]

Yes, Peter. I am sure of what I stated regarding AUVL lamps. If the Hollywood Sun lamps are ISO lamps, I suspect that they are not FDA approved lamps but German versions, as Tan America has the exclusive importing rights for that labeled lamp line, which involves FDA registration and assession numbers for importing them. The FDA will only recognize ONE initial distributor for an imported product -- and I'm sure TA doesn't sub lamps to HS. The same lamp can be imported under another identity, however, (another brand name, such as "AUVL") with the approval of the manufacturer and proper FDA paperwork (which includes a new assession number). Why don't you contact HS and ask for the assession numbers?

[lampman]

the original ISO lamps were made by radium, they are the company who actually makes the lamps for Dr muller, some time later iso switched to heraeus and had problems striking the lamps (mainly due to 400 watt igniters) There are may lamps that can replace them The iso lamp is expensive, I know that heraues has some (white ends) so does LET (also white ends) and both are less expensive than the original.however if your bed still has the 400 watt igniter ten stay with the radium made or the LET if the igniters have been upgraded ten all 3 will work.. The bed also uses a 1000 watt lamp and I know let makes them also Prices can range from the 50s to 100 per lamp depending where you get them

[Erik Woll]

Nearly all Lampman information was inaccurate, but I do feel his heart is in the right place. Is there any chance we can start a new thread?

[lampman]

actually the information is correct, I have the iso lamps along with the heraeus lamps here. I am not new at this and have been supplying hp lamps for 15 years now. I also have dealings with radium and heraeus and have more than 20,000 hp tanning lamps in my warehouse. if you need the iso lamps I have the replacements for them in stock.

[Erik Woll]

I am done with this thread, ISO Italia has confirmed TanAmerica is the only domestic supplier of ISO Italia original lamps. All of the other lamp history pertaining to ISO Italia equipment is just wtong. Everyone talks like they know some secret history, some inside information.

The thread came to my attention, I forwarded the thread to ISO Italia. The statement of fact below speaks for itself.

" The real I.SO ITALIA lamps are shipped directly from the I.SO Italia facilities to TAN AMERICA factory after being carefully tested one by one.Unfortunately we cannot know if there have been manufacturers who could have copied our lamps and how did they eventually do it ( kind of metal inside, quality of gas, quantity of quarz etc. etc.) what kind of output they have and how long do they last...
For sure, if they do not directly come from our distributor, they are not I.SO ITALIA original lamps."

[Hollywood Sun]

Hollywood Sun is the importer of the ISO Lamps to the US. My partner Lothar Waldhauer lives in Germany put the deal together. They come direct from the factory and shipped with our Hollywood Sun tanning units to the USA. We stock the lamps in Charlotte N.C. These ARE the real lamps. For info contact Barry Canter 704-532-9662