Tan America LED Light Therapy

[brownsuze]

What would the tanning time be on that bed??

[ITSTAN]

we're shooting for about 12 minutes right now, but right when we get the design almost done, some other company introduces even brighter leds....................

[ITSTAN]

here is photo of older UV leds.

[SRT]

Anything that has anything to do with Lumiere,aka Raymond Anthony aka Photo Therapeutics I wouldn't touch if my life depended on it. Myself as well as quite a few other salons bought into their sales pitch in the past and most would consider it a $30k mistake. I'm not bashing the technology, only the company.

[ITSTAN]

I believe they are no longer with the company. I could be wrong but they were supposedly bought out. Our parent company Solei Systems takes Lumiere trades in on our new antiaging chair that also does the clients hands in addition to the face and neck.

If you're interested we can give you about $14,000 on a trade. We only use Luxeon leds from Philips and there is absolutely no comparison between our machine and our competitors. Never buy a piece of LED equipment without knowing exactly where the leds come from. If the manufacturer won't tell you, it means they are using cheap dim leds from China. Without brightness, the light won't penetrate the skin deep enough to do any good.

[brownsuze]

So a 12 min tan, no sweating, no risk of burn, and no break down of collagen? (ie will not age skin??)

Fo ReAL????

[DMD]

Hello,
I have been researching this site for months and this is exactly what I have been waiting to purchase. I love the fact that various manufactures are here to answer my questions.
What are price ranges?
Do they also Tan? I am looking for photo rejuv only.
What type of bulb/light is used? LED - output and quantity or Bulb - type andeffect
When will they be available?

I am getting ready to open my own Salon, there is no one in my area that does what I do and the area is exploding. (I know; bad time, missing high season but could not be helped due to move and License in a new state/area but I do have a reason for not waiting until next Year.)

I have received great information due to this website, and I appreciated all the knowledge that is given in expertise; technical and practical. You have all been invaluable.

Thank you.

[ITSTAN]

brownsuze,
Please don't misunderstand the difference between led tanning and led photorejuvenation as their is a HUGE difference.

To start with, an LED (light emitting diode) is just another light source. Unlike a bulb, it lasts extremely long and the majority of energy that goes in comes out as light instead of wasted heat.

UV light is still UV light, regardless if it comes from the sun, a light bulb or an led.
What's different is the wavelength (color) being produced from the light source. Just like you can light up a room with a candle, light bulb or led, the room is still lit. One technology has it's advantages over the other.

With led tanning, you will still get UV rays, the advantage to the salon owner is that you won't have to change the leds for 20 years, your electricity and air conditioning bill will go way down.

The advantage to the tanner is they will receive an extremely consistent tan every single time they go in the bed.
Also, since leds are very narrow band, it is possible to tune the amount of uva to uvb for different skin types from only one bed. This cannot be done with bulbs since they are wideband and just emit uv wavelengths in the entire spectrum.

On the other hand, LED phototherapy stimulates collagen and elastin growth by using leds that emit red light, not uv light. Pure red light has been proven to stimulate collagen and elastin production just like uv light stimulates melanin production.

Yes, it is possible to mix uv and red leds to produce melanin and collagen at the same time.

[dsuriff]

Sunless Tanning

Heres the link I found to the LED tanning bed.

Imagine buildout of a salon with regular airconditioning verses 40k worth or the electrical buildout costs dropping significantly. Of course I can't wait to see projected cost of LED bed. I would love to be a test salon!!!!

[brownsuze]

Thank you ITS this is the kind of info I'm looking for.

So are you saying the one bed could be adjusted to give BOTH uv & red light? As well as adjusting to skin type?
EASILY, like between sessions?? Or would this be one where you have to open it up and move pins around??

Will these usits have other options, like wide bench (vs "capsule" shape) aromatherapy/ mists, music players, that sort of thing?

Or are we talking like a basic ETS Sunvision type bed, just lights?

[ITSTAN]

Yes, one bed will eventually be able to do it all. Our initial beds will be for tanning only but we will be introducing multi purpose beds and no there will be no pins to move around, only a small touchscreen monitor.

Multiple sizes will also be available.

[Din]

ITS,

Can an LED bed be adjusted to perform like a High Pressure lamp as opposed to a low-pressure tube lamp.

In otherwords, will an LCD tanning bed outperform my King, or a Magic, or Matrix etc... by giving that deep tan without drying the skin, but will lasting longer and most importantly, the customer will not burn like a VHR bed.??? Zero to tan in 3-4 sessions with 2-3 tans a month to maintain?

Also...will they have the sex appeal that an HP bed will and the WOW factor, to charge the same amount of $30-$40 a tan, and add more $$$ in our pockets with less electrical cost, less heat and virtually no lamp changes?

Dean

[solarmeter®]

Eventually he (ITS) will need to post all 3 meter readings at body position... and then you can judge for yourself. So far he has a 5.0 and 9.6 meter.

Or - a $50K Optronics OL754 scan resolved to Total UV, UVB, and MED/hr. Either is fine.

[BIG AL]

This is the same company that came up with idea to put spray tan and HP in the same unit. That was a great idea.

[brownsuze]

Originally Posted by Din

In otherwords, will an LCD tanning bed outperform my King, or a Magic, or Matrix etc... by giving that deep tan without drying the skin, but will lasting longer and most importantly, the customer will not burn like a VHR bed.??? Zero to tan in 3-4 sessions with 2-3 tans a month to maintain?

Also...will they have the sex appeal that an HP bed will and the WOW factor, to charge the same amount of $30-$40 a tan, and add more $$$ in our pockets with less electrical cost, less heat and virtually no lamp changes?

Dean

YESYESYES, these are all very important. I will not add a bed like this if it looks like a "base bed." It needs to have some really good selling points, other than coolness (not important, people like a hot tan 90% of the time) and no risk of burn (HP also, and these can merit the big money.)
It will be a tough sell, as some others pointed out, if the main selling point is skin rejuvenation -- that makes the other units appear "bad for you."

[ITSTAN]

brownsuze,
you are confusing led tanning with led photorejuvenation.
LED is only the light source. If you use UV leds, you produce melanin and get a tan. If you use red leds, you produce collagen and elastin. UV light is still UV light, regardless of what creates it.
Unlike a light bulb, LED's are semiconductors and you can buy virtually any color you need.

[ITSTAN]

Dean,
yes, you will be able to tan someone just like an HP, but without the high electric bills.
Also, we are kicking around the idea of making the bed out of Carbon Fiber.

[Parrot Head]

My question is, why would a salon owner pay $15,000 to $20,000 for a bed that supposedly deminishes the fine lines and wrinkles caused by the very thing that we're selling in the first place; exposure to uv? Tough sell! I can see this maybe working in a more spa setting, but in a uv tanning salon, save your money or buy another big vhr bed. To all you led vendors out there: I'm open to convincing--call me @ 715 231-8268 and convince me.

[Din]

What are they supposed to convince you of?

[Parrot Head]

Dah, what I said isn't that difficult of a question.