Tan America LED Light Therapy

[Din]

But you are not open to convincing....you are telling others to save their money and invest in UV bed if you own a tanning salon. Sounds like you have your mind made up. NO?

[Parrot Head]

One can, if opened minded enough, be persuaded to change their mind. Don't you believe these promises made by these companies (they may work just as promised) are just a little contradictatory to what we are selling, uv tanning? That's all I'm saying.

[Roy Griffith]

Originally Posted by Parrot Head

My question is, why would a salon owner pay $15,000 to $20,000 for a bed that supposedly deminishes the fine lines and wrinkles caused by the very thing that we're selling in the first place; exposure to uv? Tough sell! I can see this maybe working in a more spa setting, but in a uv tanning salon, save your money or buy another big vhr bed. To all you led vendors out there: I'm open to convincing--call me @ 715 231-8268 and convince me.

1. I have still yet to read a convincing study (that is unbiased) that can prove that moderate tanning causes wrinkles. Humans have been exposed to ultraviolet for the past 500,000 years without ill effect. I think as tanning professionals we should be focusing on the positive effects of controlled and moderate ultraviolet exposure.

2. There is a significant amount of tanning clients that turn the face tanners off or cover their face, whilst enjoying the tanning session. These customers could employ the benefits of light therapy whilst tanning their body and getting their dose of Vitamin D.

3. The problem with a light therapy only machine is that you are tying up a room that can only be utilized for one kind of treatment. The Rejuvasun with Omnilux technology can be used as a conventional tanning bed, a light therapy only machine or in combination with the body receiving a tan and the face receiving light therapy treatment.

There are other companies out there with light therapy but I must stress that the Rejuvasun with Omnilux machine is the only unit that has clinical studies and data to back up it's claims. With any other unit you are taking a chance that the correct light is not being emitted for maximum efficacy.

[John]

These units will work & do work. (in time)

Problem is we live in an instant gratification society. I give you money I want results, visible results now. Problem with mixing this with tanning is that this is a long process, results are not seen until 15-20 sessions into it. With tanning I can give you $5 & see color 20 minutes later on the way out.

[ITSTAN]

The results also depend on the brightness of the leds. We use only Luxeon and Avago (formerly Hewlett Packard) leds. Our machines show impressive results after only 3 visits.

Also, in addition to the Omnilux clinical trials there are myriad of other clinical trials from doctors and universities all over the planet. They all say the same thing, 633 nm red light does produce collagen and elastin.

There are no negative results. The only difference is how fast does the customer see results.

Before buying ANY led phototherapy equipment, make sure they tell you the actual led part number that goes into the equipment. You can buy red leds from China for only pennies a piece or you can buy very expensive leds that cost dollars a piece. The more expensive the led, the brighter it is and this tranlates to skin penetration. If it's not bright enough, the light won't be able to reach the right cells where all the action needs to take place.

A legitmate manufacturer should have no problem telling you the exact part number they are using!

[BIG AL]

Ok, what part number are you using?

[ITSTAN]

LUXEON K2 and LUXEON K2 with TFFC LEDs are the highest performance, most robust, and rugged LEDs available. They deliver industry leading light output, simpler and more efficient thermal management, and the ability to be driven at higher currents for longer periods of time than any other LED. Binned and tested at 1A, and with minimum flux bins of 160, 180 and 200 lumens, LUXEON K2 with TFFC LEDs are enabling never before possible lighting solutions.
http://www.luxeon.com/pdfs/DS51.pdf

[EliteMike]

so what LEDs are in the ETS units?

[amazingtans]

The China Ones lol

[TanologyGuru]

Originally Posted by ITSTAN

I believe they are no longer with the company. I could be wrong but they were supposedly bought out. Our parent company Solei Systems takes Lumiere trades in on our new antiaging chair that also does the clients hands in addition to the face and neck.

If you're interested we can give you about $14,000 on a trade. We only use Luxeon leds from Philips and there is absolutely no comparison between our machine and our competitors. Never buy a piece of LED equipment without knowing exactly where the leds come from. If the manufacturer won't tell you, it means they are using cheap dim leds from China. Without brightness, the light won't penetrate the skin deep enough to do any good.

Once again Someone speaks without knowing what they are talking about....Here is the official answer from Photo Therapeutics regarding your misconceptions about LED's.

"The ETS Rejuvasun units uses the same LEDs as used in the Omnilux. The Omnilux technology is backed with almost 20 years of clinical trials in the fields of cancer research and skin rejuvenation. These LEDs are manufactured by Osram, Germany to meet the exacting specifications required for the highest possible efficacy. These specifications were determined by our extensive research and published in our library of clinical trials and peer-reviewed acedemic papers.
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It is vital to deliver the correct wavelength (nm), intensity (mW/cm2) and light dose (J/cm2) to achieve efficacious results. Simply having the brightest LED in your bed is not enough. Treatment efficacy depends on the light dose delivered (J/cm2) which in turn is dependent upon the intensity (mW/cm2). Therefore insufficient LEDs, even if they are ‘super-powerful’, will not deliver an efficacious dose of light.
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There are very few LEDs capable of delivering sufficient intensity at the correct wavelength and reliability and they tend to be quite pricey. It would have certainly made Phototherapeutics Ltd’s life a lot easier if they were available cheaply from China, but unfortunately, they are not." Dr. Colin Whitehurst, Director of R&D Photo Therapeutics Ltd.

For those who do not know who this is. This is the person who INVENTED the first LED device used to treat skin cancer.

[solarmeter®]

For anyone who cares what the "dose" is in J/cm² based on Model 9.6 Red Light meter mW/cm².... convert the mW to W and multiply by seconds of exposure time.

EG: For 80.0 mW/cm² at 10 minutes (600 sec):

80/1000 = 0.08 W/cm² x 600 = 48 J/cm².

[Titan]

Isn't Tanologyguru the guys that were selling the Lumiere machine for like $30,000 and then dropped the price to $17,000 and alot of us got screwed over because of that?

I guess this is what's going to happen with these Rejuvasun units?

[ITSTAN]

As usual the guys at Lumiere won't answer the direct question of what LED part number they use.

Osram makes a wide variety of products. That's like saying you have a Chevy. Was it a Corvette or a Chevette?

[Roy Griffith]

Originally Posted by Titan

Isn't Tanologyguru the guys that were selling the Lumiere machine for like $30,000 and then dropped the price to $17,000 and alot of us got screwed over because of that?

I guess this is what's going to happen with these Rejuvasun units?

ETS manufactures and markets the Rejuvasun bed and we are not in the habit of changing our prices, not unless the part costs were to significantly change. I have no idea what Raymond Anthony International did with the Lumiere device but they are out of the picture now as Photo Therapeutics handles that business themselves.

[ITSTAN]

Solar Steve,
How do we convert this reading from our leds?????

[Titan]

Roy, alot of people got screwed over with Lumiere. You have a big successful company, you should stay clear of those Phototherapeutics/Lumiere people before you fall into the same category as them.

[TanologyGuru]

Originally Posted by Titan

Isn't Tanologyguru the guys that were selling the Lumiere machine for like $30,000 and then dropped the price to $17,000 and alot of us got screwed over because of that?

I guess this is what's going to happen with these Rejuvasun units?

Actually, no I am not the guy who was selling Lumiere for 30K...you are thinking of Tony and Ray from RAI. Has anyone bought a Plasma tv when they first came out? I did....It cost me 10K. That next year the price dropped big time. I cannot speak for Tony or Ray. If you would like to discuss that with them I will be happy to give you there e mail.

[ITSTAN]

Still no part number??????????????

[TanologyGuru]

Originally Posted by ITSTAN

As usual the guys at Lumiere won't answer the direct question of what LED part number they use.

Osram makes a wide variety of products. That's like saying you have a Chevy. Was it a Corvette or a Chevette?

Paul,

Yes Osram does make a variety of products...and if you did any legit studies of your own you would discover which LED's we use
I am not going to give out that information to you as your company has already copied all of the Lumiere marketing and technical information and used it as there own. If you would like to discuss this in person with the CEO of Photo Therapeutics Sue Darcy...She will happily entertain any and all of your requests.
sue.darcy@omnilux.co.uk
800-743-8150 X113

[ITSTAN]

That's the funniest thing I've ever heard!!!! We have no desire to know what your part numbers are as our leds are far more powerful than the ones you use. I posted our meter readings, why don't you put your product where your mouth is and buy a meter from Steve and post your own readings.

Who would buy a tanning bed without knowing what bulbs are in the bed?

Furthermore, we haven't copied anything from your machine.
We have our own patents and patents pending.