Tan America LED Light Therapy

[Le]

Very good, Thank you Roy. You are staight forward and a stand up guy.

[ITSTAN]

Le,
The machine that you saw two years ago is very different from the current model. Yes, I did say we were running it at half power because it was being run from 12 volts and not 24 volts. We didn't want people jumping in the machine without eye protection. Regardless, those leds were not nearly as bright as the Luxeon K2's that we currently use.
As for meter readings, I have demonstrated that our leds make the meter go off scale. I will be more than happy to show the readings at 2.5 inches, however no one from any other company is showing any readings or part numbers or anything at all.

I think it would be more productive for everyone to talk about the benefits of adding phototherapy to their salon.

You obviously have had good luck with your Lumiere machine and I'm glad. Why don't you tell everyone what kind of success you have had?????

[solarmeter®]

no one from any other company is showing any readings or part numbers or anything at all.

It took like 10 years before many mfgrs even acknowledged UV meter readings as valid. Now the 5.0, 6.0 and 7.0 Solarmeters have become the "industry standard" as people finally figured out they closely replicate the "gold standard" Optronics OL754 spectralradiometer results.

It will probably take another couple years before the new 9.6 Red and 9.4 Blue light meters "earn" similar respect.

Meantime..... likely ALL the recent red LED systems have some good degree of benefit for skin rejuvination. So as Paul said - discussion of the benefits/success of 633nm treatments with or without IR ~830nm remains a good topic.

[Le]

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Success has been good, but the unit is not in my tanning salons.

I have a Spa were we offer the device. I would not offer this service in a normal tanning salon. JMO

The 633nm does work very well and performs better when you use a treatment serum. We stopped using the Lumiere stuff a while back. We found a better company that allows us flexibility and the ability to create custom skin-cocktails for clients. The best part is that the product cost for the session is cut in half and the results are better.



We also do not believe in short term treatments of 6 or less sessions. Most packages we sell now are 12 or better with the best results coming from our 18 sessions / 3 month package. This also allows more time in between the B & A pictures.

Crazy fact for the day:
If the 633 is used on the upper chest area on older women, the breast will actually lift a bit over time. My guess is the tightening of the skin in the lower neck and upper chest area is the cause this.

[Le]

Paul, I am glad to hear that the newer unit will be much stronger. I always want the most effective equipment, so it will be interesting to see what you come out with.

I am serious about the look however; you need to button that thing up a bit. Either make it look more medical or more luxurious. Right now if looks to technical with the anodized blue aluminum and exposed cooling lines. I am a guy and think the lines look neat, but 99.1% of my clientele for Lumiere are women.

[Le]

Next up:

Hair regeneration with 633 red light.

The FDA approved the use of Red Light LED treatment for hair regrowth.

The follicles will need to be dormant, not dead, but it does work.

Someone needs to create a "Rogaine" like treatment specifically for use with the 633 devices. The lumiere and Onmilux can be adjusted to "sit" right above the clients head while they relax in a reclining chair or spa bed.

633 clients will notice that their eyebrows will fill in a bit more and guy’s facial hair will grow faster.

[Pumpkin]

Thanks for the e-mail , Solarmeter, to join this discussion. I have been absent from this site for a while.... I kinda got into motorbike racing, and it's taking a lot of my time lately ....

633 nm is the real deal. In my dealings with it, dose rate is directly proportionate to results. I have had (and used) both the Lumiere unit and the Omnilux unit for extended periods of time on a lot of clients. My Omnilux clients received better results than Lumiere .... largely, I suspect, due to a larger dose rate. There are several differences that set the Lumiere and Omnilux apart. Although both may use the same LED panel, the output is different between the two because of head design.

I believe in PTL's clinical trials ... they speak volumes about the product and its results. I'm not buying into anyone's "claims" anymore ...

Although it is challenging, I have my Omnilux unit in a tanning "spa". We have been slowly evolving into a light therapy center for a number of years ,now ...... it CAN be done.

Steve -- I still have my readings of Lumiere and Omnilux (in picture format), but don't know how to post any pics here. I'm not so sure that some people would want to see them posted, though, and I don't know how to do it.

[Titan]

Do any of the portable units have enough power to get results?

[ITSTAN]

Our unit from Solei Systems does, look at the above solarmeter readings. We are the only company that shows meter readings and lets you know exactly what leds we use.

[Din]

ITSTAN,

Will your LED light Therapy equipment be at the show in Nashville? Will there be demonstrations?

I'm very interested. I'll be stopping by the booth to inquire. Your equipment sounds like it performs great. I wouldn't mind picking up a few for our salons

Dean

[Titan]

Originally Posted by ITSTAN

Our unit from Solei Systems does, look at the above solarmeter readings. We are the only company that shows meter readings and lets you know exactly what leds we use.

Thank you. I talked to your sales rep and was surprised how much less expensive your units are than your competition. I did some test marketing and I can pay for one of your units within the first few months. I didn't realize how much interest there was out there.

[Pumpkin]

Originally Posted by ITSTAN

Our unit from Solei Systems does, look at the above solarmeter readings. We are the only company that shows meter readings and lets you know exactly what leds we use.

Of equal importance is keeping the output precisely at 633nm (+/- 5 nm) throughout the duration of the session. Typically, when a lamp heats up, the bandwith begins to stray a bit.....and can stray far enough to achieve lower results. Thus the importance of keeping the lamp cooling very controlled. PTL has achieved this, and has a patent on cooling the lamp (LED) with fans (and I suspect a thermostat of some sort) for this type of device.

How effective is the ITS unit at holding its output at 633 during a session, and how is the output controlled and/or monitored to achieve stability?

[ITSTAN]

Our units are liquid cooled for even greater control over the temperature, in addition our units also do your neck and hands.
We will be at the ITA.

[Titan]

Originally Posted by Pumpkin

Of equal importance is keeping the output precisely at 633nm (+/- 5 nm) throughout the duration of the session. Typically, when a lamp heats up, the bandwith begins to stray a bit.....and can stray far enough to achieve lower results. Thus the importance of keeping the lamp cooling very controlled. PTL has achieved this, and has a patent on cooling the lamp (LED) with fans (and I suspect a thermostat of some sort) for this type of device.

How effective is the ITS unit at holding its output at 633 during a session, and how is the output controlled and/or monitored to achieve stability?

I see in the past you were trying desperately to dump your Lumiere machine. Lumiere Facial Rejuvenation Unit For Sale -- CHEAP Did you get rid of it? Did you have problems with it?

[Pumpkin]

Yes, I sold my Lumiere device. What type of "problems" are you asking about? Please be specific .....

[Pumpkin]

Originally Posted by ITSTAN

Our units are liquid cooled for even greater control over the temperature, in addition our units also do your neck and hands.
We will be at the ITA.

How does liquid cooling provide "greater control" ?? I am very curious about this ...please explain.

[ITSTAN]

Pumpkin,
Unlike water, Air (fan cooling) is a very bad conductor of heat. For example, that's why new houses have two layers of glass with air in between to keep the inside and outside insulated.

On the other hand, that is why everything today that needs to be kept at an exact temperature is liquid cooled from computers to Harley Davidsons, and even snowmobiles. Water is a much better medium for heat transfer and it is also much easier to precisely control.

When did they stop making air cooled Volkswagons?

In addition, water also conducts sound much better than air, but that's not pertinent to this topic.

[solarmeter®]

It is to whales and dolphins.

When will you post a Red meter reading at nose or cheek position? Say 2" from LED cluster?

[imported_wpipp]

ETS believes that LED light therapy is the wave of the future in North America as baby boomers age and the younger generations become more conscious of skin care and search for ways to minimize the natural aging of the skin. The reason ETS chose to partner with Phototheraputics/Omnilus is because they have 20 years of medical research and clinical studies that the FDA has accepted as proof positive that their LED panels produce the results they advertise. The Omnilux LED panels are positioned in the Rejuvasun Spa bed in such a way that replicates the exposure to the 630nm & 833nm experienced in the Omnilux LED unit. The design of the Omnilux LED panel inserted in the Rejuvasun bed was executed by Phototheraputics engineers and medical experts in England and tested to insure that it would deliver the same results as the medical grade Omnilux units currently used in over 3000 medical offices. To our knowledge no other LED or Tube Lamp technology utilizing wave lengths in the 630nm to 833nm range in tanning beds has 20 yrs of medical research, 510K Clinical Studies or FDA clearance supporting their medical claims. We encourage salon owners interested in offering LED Light Therapy to ask for FDA documentation and 510K Clinicals studies supporting any LED technolgy they are considering. If the tanning salon industry wants to be taken seriously when offering this new skin rejuvanating technology we need to make sure the technology delivers on the claims the salon is making.

[EliteMike]

not to burst ANYONE'S bubble, but we have studies show just how bad tanning is. Studies don't always mean much. I'd want guarantee's a machine is going to work.

Now 5 people I personally know trying a system like this and seeing results would be enough for me.