Just a speech?

[FIT]

Conventional thinking is why we are still having this conversation 40 years later.

[Kathe]

FIT you can get copies of his sermons unless they have been taken off his church website. And really, how much hate do you have to hear from a man to know that he is filled with it. Just a little? A little bit more? How much is too much?

The bible says if you hate someone you have murdered them in your heart and that breaks one of the big 10. His sermons, from the pulpit no less, are filled with hate. And it's not as if he has repented from them. He has been doing it for more than 20 years.

The point is, that Obama is and has been a member of that church. He has been going there for 20 years, taken his wife and children there. He is not some dumb person either, he is very smart, educated at our best universities. Now he is playing the dumb card. No way.

Kathe

[FIT]

Well, if MLK was an anti-American racist, then maybe I'm wrong.

The entire Republican party has labeled Jeremiah Wright based on the two minutes they've seem him on Youtube. Maybe you're right. Maybe he's an evil bastard? I don't know him. But I'm gonna bet that someone as smart as Barack Obama didn't align himself with the person you're describing.

I'm gonna assume that this is a man who has devoted himself to helping other's but at times has resentment towards our leaders for the plight of his people. I'll assume his sermons were MEANT to be controversial. He was TRYING to "stir the pot" as so many in this forum like to do. He obviously went to far. You guys can assume what you want and I really don't care. Jeremiah Wright isn't running for President. Barack Obama is.

[George Sklenicka]

Originally Posted by stan@sunsys

Well, if MLK was an anti-American racist, then maybe I'm wrong.

LOL!!!!!!

[Kathe]

The whole point is that government was not intended to be a social and community outreach project. It was meant to protect us from our enemies for the most part. Big government is all about itself, sustaining itself. If the government can convince the people that we can't do it on our own and that we need them, then it wins. And we lose our freedom right along with it. The democrats, and even some republicans, want to control the people. You don't need a militia to do that, you just need to train the people to be dependent upon the government. Pretty soon they think they can't do it on their own anymore. Then the government has won. Every little thing the government does for the people, no matter what it is, is creating a slipperly slope of dependence upon it.

Kathe

[George Sklenicka]

Originally Posted by Kathe

Now he is playing the dumb card. No way.

Kathe

He's not dumb, he's just a typical politician and FIT sees that he's not as "Special" as everyone thought.

FIT like the 8 - 10% of voters that have already jumped from Obama's ship are upset and dissapointed.

I can't wait for their convention.

[Kathe]

Originally Posted by FIT

The entire Republican party has labeled Jeremiah Wright based on the two minutes they've seem him on Youtube. Maybe you're right. Maybe he's an evil bastard? I don't know him. But I'm gonna bet that someone as smart as Barack Obama didn't align himself with the person you're describing.

I'm gonna assume that this is a man who has devoted himself to helping other's but at times has resentment towards our leaders for the plight of his people. I'll assume his sermons were MEANT to be controversial. He was TRYING to "stir the pot" as so many in this forum like to do. He obviously went to far. You guys can assume what you want and I really don't care. Jeremiah Wright isn't running for President. Barack Obama is.

FIT, the problem I have with this is there is no way this stuff should come from a preacher from a pulpit. A man of God does not speak like this - not at all. There is absolutely no excuse for it. Not in church, in God's house. And Obama sat there and listened to it. Not acceptable.

Kathe

[solarmeter®]

FIT has his mind made up. He won't change. He must enjoy being the ONLY one on this thread defending Magic Obama. I bet he would faint(sp) if he attended a BHO rally.

[FIT]

Another quote from another preacher Kathe. When asked about 9/11 this is some of the things he said:

civil liberties groups, feminists, homosexuals and abortion rights supporters bear partial responsibility for Tuesday's terrorist attacks because their actions have turned God's anger against America

"God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve"

[TonyG]

Originally Posted by FIT

Another quote from another preacher Kathe. When asked about 9/11 this is some of the things he said:

I really hate it when any of these preachers - left or right- presume to speak for God. Whether it is "God created AIDS to kill gays" or "God is punishing America for its sins", these fools are using God for their own agendas. If there is a hell, everyone from Wright to Swaggert to Falwell should end up there!

[EliteMike]

Don't you people have salon's to run, this is the busiest morning I've had ever

[FIT]

3128 posts since May 2007. Are you really asking us that Mike? lol

[brownsuze]

Originally Posted by FIT

Another quote from another preacher Kathe.

That is JUST PLAIN WRONG. Kathe never once made a personal comment about you. You have no reason to mock her beliefs this way.

Keep it professional.

[EliteMike]

slow start, and lots of time sitting on a computer at my other job

[FIT]

What are you reading Suze? I made a comment to Kathe. I didn't call her "preacher Kathe". Just like I'm not calling you "reading Suze".

In it's entirety it was:

Another quote from another preacher Kathe. When asked about 9/11 this is some of the things he said:

[brownsuze]

My bad.

But you should have written from THE preacher, Kathe.

See why grammar is important??

[Kathe]

I don't like ANY preacher who doesn't preach God's word from the pulpit. Anytime they start spouting THEIR veiws it is wrong in my opinion. If they aren't preaching from the bible then they have no business standing up there.

And it really isn't anyone's job, preacher or not, to determine what is and what is not God's hand in something. I do believe that God is doing exactly what this country has asked Him to do. He has given us free will and this country has been asking Him to get out for a long time. Perhaps He has and we are getting exactly what we deserve in someone like Obama.

Thanks for defending me Suze. Fit I got what you meant.

Kathe

[Kathe]

Originally Posted by TonyG

I really hate it when any of these preachers - left or right- presume to speak for God. Whether it is "God created AIDS to kill gays" or "God is punishing America for its sins", these fools are using God for their own agendas. If there is a hell, everyone from Wright to Swaggert to Falwell should end up there!

I agree with you Tony on the preachers. And there is a hell, you can count on it. And a lot of people are going to be there that didn't think they would be. So sad actually because it doesn't have to be that way.

Kathe

[FIT]

Here is your quote earlier, Kathe:

The bible says you can't know a man's heart but Jesus said you will know them by their fruit. Good fruit cannot come from a bad tree and bad fruit cannot come from a good tree. The way I see it this man is spewing bad fruit so he must be a bad tree.

So when Jerry Falwell makes these statements about 9/11 he must be a bad tree, right?

"civil liberties groups, feminists, homosexuals and abortion rights supporters bear partial responsibility for Tuesday's terrorist attacks because their actions have turned God's anger against America"

"God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve"

Not trying to argue with you but I don't think there is a person on the earth who has never given bad fruit in some form or another. Isn't that what Jesus Christ is all about? Forgiving us of our sins?

[Kathe]

We all sin but when someone continually spews hatred then you know you have something bad. In the end though it is God who will be the final judge. Only God can see someones heart.

And in order to have forgiveness you have to repent and ask for it. It's not an automatic thing. Many of these people are doing wrong and think they are doing just fine. They are not asking for forgiveness and they are continuing to do the wrong thing.

The bible says that all have sinned so I am just as bad. I have broken plenty of the 10 commandments and really all you have to do is break one of them. The bible also says that preachers and teachers of the law will be held to a higher standard because they have the potential to lead their flock down the wrong path.

I just think (to get back to the subject) that Obama sitting under this mans leadership for 20 years is cause for concern. A pastor is your spiritual leader and you follow his direction. I know that if we had a pastor who spoke like this one we wouldn't sit there week after week. We would be finding another church pronto.

Kathe