Just a speech?

[Tanning Queen]

Sorry to go back to the unequal black opportunities but I am still irked about that.

Yes, my parents taught me respect and to work hard and all that to make me who I am today. So because you think that my parents didnt suffer when they were young, they are better off then black folks who did? Lets see, my Grandparents lost everything in the Great Depression, Mom and Dad grew up poor. Dad lost his father at age 6 and my Grandmother raised 3 kids on her own. Worked 2 jobs and managed to scrape by. Dad and Mom both worked as young kids to help with income. But they were white so they must have been better off than everyone who was black.

Ok, so if you reason that there is no level playing field is because my parents generation grew up with segregation etc, how do you explain thngs now? Now we have quotas of how many minorities have to work at a company and in colleges. There are plenty of ways to pull yourself out of a bad situation, black, white, hispanic, chinese, indian, whatever. USE THEM.

NExt you are going to tell me that we should pay reparations to all blacks for the wrongs our ancestors did when they were slaves.

[EliteMike]

Minorities have it easier than us. I'm stuck with 60K of college loans where the minority with the same grades or even lower would have had a free ride.

The playing field is level, hard work takes you to the top.

[FIT]

Minorities have it easier than us

Spoken like a true majority. You are very naive if you truly believe this.

[EliteMike]

Originally Posted by FIT

Spoken like a true majority. You are very naive if you truly believe this.

oh okay, I'll remember that the next time I'm in walmart and the lady in front of me is checking out her top quality steaks and then pulls out the welfare card. Proceed to see her outside in her nice caddy.

Many minorities chose to be one because hey, cheap housing, free food, and no job. WHAT A LIFE.

before you throw a fit, FIT, I'm talking more about inner city things than anything else. Many of these people are more than capable of getting off their A$$ to get a job.

[FIT]

What does it say that a thread about racism has several times turned into a thread about welfare, food stamps, cheap housing, people sitting on their ass?

[EliteMike]

as far as other minorites, lets switch it up a bit, close the damn borders off completely, if they don't come in the proper way, kick them back to their country.

[Tanning Queen]

Maybe because a majority of those on welfare are minority. So what. Am I racist because I point out the reality? Am I also a racist because I think that they should check Iraqi looking people and those with Muslim names at the airport vs lil ole grandma? It is just the reality is that those people tend to cause terrorism and minorites tend to be the ones using the welfare. Now notice I didnt say ALL minorites, just that if you look at the ratios, a majority will be black. Same as in prision. Most are minorities. ANd many of the crimes are black on black. Hey, if you dont want to be in jail, dont commit a crime! But you arent in jail because you are black. IF you dont want to be on welfare, then stop spreading your legs to every guy you see and stop poking every girl you come across. Ever heard of birth control? But why do that when you get a nice check from the gov't for food and shelter for each kid you spawn. And how about if you actually have a kid, YOU pay for it! Just because you decided to act like Johnny Appleseed doesnt mean everyone else should pay for your kids.

Where is MY free handout? I am part Cherokee and you white people came and took MY land! Then you shipped us into compounds and killed us along the way. Now we run casinos and drink our asses off on a little bit of Mother Earth. I AM part of the true minority but you dont see us asking for reparations and gimme gimme gimme. I was here before you AND the blacks and mexicans. Yet there are just as many of them here as whites but they are still called "minorities".

Oh yeah, I forgot. I dont even qualify as a minority Native American because I am only less than a 10th at this point in my heritage. So I dont count...

[EliteMike]

High fives for queen!

[FIT]

I AM part of the true minority but you dont see us asking for reparations and gimme gimme gimme

No you just make us change the names of our sports teams.

[FIT]

Am I racist because I point out the reality?

I would have to say yes to that. After all, that's exactly what you're calling Rev. Wright. He's only pointing out reality.

[FIT]

Hey, if you dont want to be in jail, dont commit a crime! But you arent in jail because you are black

In some ways you are. If you are born and raised in the ghetto the likelihood of you being in jail is much greater than if you were raised in a nice neighborhood. Noone is born a criminal. People (children) imitate what they see around them. They follow the examples set for them.

That's why this is such a generational issue. Ghettos don't exist because a bunch of criminals decided it would be cool to all live together. The ghetto was born fifty years ago out of poverty. Poverty was born partly out of discrimination. All the "quotas" for hiring minorities that you say exist today (by the way what was YOUR quota at your salon?) didn't exist then.

Minorities WERE NOT given the opportunity to earn the pay equivalent of a white person. That's a cold hard fact. They weren't given the same opportunities in education. That's a cold hard fact. Some rose above it but most failed to overcome it.

So when you pooled them altogether and it was time to raise the next generation what were they teaching their children? Their grandchildren? It's a snowball that started along time ago. And it continues today. Yes, it is better than it was and their IS opportunity but who is leading these young minorites? Their being led mostly by the same people who were led by the same people.

I'll repeat myself. Noone is born a criminal. Noone is born lazy. People learn from the people and the environment around them and if you are born in the ghetto chances are you aren't learning the same values you and I were taught growing up.

[solarmeter®]

He's only pointing out reality.

Yeah... his warped reality. Honestly FIT... you should run for president of the NAACP the way you feel. I can't count the number of fine black designers and engineers I knew at GM - but there were many. They did NOT need or use Al Sharpton, etc to get them where they got. They did it by themselves.

STOP with the white-guy-guilt complex. It is messing up your mind!

People (children) imitate what they see around them.

So what are Obama's children going to imitate after listening to that horrible "preacher"? Bill Cosby? I doubt it!

[Tanning Queen]

I AM the minority, DUH!

Dont get into it with me about equal pay scales. WOMEN don't make as much as men.

I would have to say yes to that. After all, that's exactly what you're calling Rev. Wright. He's only pointing out reality

WRONG! He isnt pointing out the reality, he is spewing hate. BIG difference! I see people branded as a racist because they disagree with the Obama camp. It's a sad America that we live in that we cannot speak our minds without fear of being branded a racist by ideological zealots.

Lets say John McCain or Hillary Clinton:
1. Frequented a church where the pastor engaged in anti-american and anti-black speech
2. Lied to the American public about hearing the anti-american and anti-black speech
3. Recanted the lie and admitted to hearing the speeches
4. Rejected the endorsement of the pastor/church only after it is outed and caused discomfort
5. Gave a speech and told black America that they just don't understand white culture

Do you really thing we'd be calling him/her courageous or stating he/she a victim of the media?
There's clearly a double-standard here that is being intentionally overlooked because of political correctness.

Open your eyes people. This man has hate in his heart and a chip on his shoulder.


Tell me how values are created by poverty? The basics of respect and hard work has nothing to do with that. Just because you are in the ghetto doesnt mean you cant respect your elders and work hard.

What part of DE are you from again?

[FIT]

1. Frequented a church where the pastor engaged in anti-american and anti-black speech
2. Lied to the American public about hearing the anti-american and anti-black speech
3. Recanted the lie and admitted to hearing the speeches
4. Rejected the endorsement of the pastor/church only after it is outed and caused discomfort
5. Gave a speech and told black America that they just don't understand white culture

These things didnt happen.

This man has hate in his heart and a chip on his shoulder

This is not true.

Tell me how values are created by poverty? The basics of respect and hard work has nothing to do with that. Just because you are in the ghetto doesnt mean you cant respect your elders and work hard.

You missed the point of my entire quote. You aren't open-minded enough to bother discussing this any further.

[Tanning Queen]

On WIP, Obama said: "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, there's a reaction that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away, and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society."

THis was from the other day here on 610WIP.

[Tanning Queen]

NO, I didnt miss anything in your quote. I just pointed out that when you talked about teaching the children of each generation, it didnt matter if you were in the ghetto or not, respect and hard work should be taught no matter what.

And what do you mean it didnt happen? HE WENT TO THE CHURCH FOR 20 YEARS!

[Tanning Queen]

And you know what? This MINORITY Obama seemed to do ok since he went to Harvard and is doing ok career wise. And he most likely made more money than a women in any job he had.

[FIT]

I can't count the number of fine black designers and engineers I knew at GM - but there were many. They did NOT need or use Al Sharpton, etc to get them where they got. They did it by themselves.

There are many great black leaders, engineers, doctors, etc. I would love to know how many of them grew up in the ghetto. I obviously don't have the answer but I'm willing to bet the percentage is pretty low.

Steve, I know you to be a fair and open-minded person. I can't believe you think that blacks have the same opportunity as whites.

Explain this one. Of the 119 major college football universities how many black head coaches are there? Six. That's 5% of the head coaching positions in a sport that is dominated by black athletes. How is that possible in a world of racial equality?

[Tanning Queen]

Uh, maybe they arent good at coaching as they are at playing?

[FIT]

And what do you mean it didnt happen? HE WENT TO THE CHURCH FOR 20 YEARS!

1. And he stated from the very beginning that he never heard Rev. Wright make comments of that nature. He never recanted it. You only listen to those who twist his words. He said like all church goers there were times he didn't agree with some of the things said by his preacher but he never heard him say things of that nature.

2. The great Jerry Falwell made anti-American / bigoted comments for years. That doesn't mean it was the foundation of his church. It doesn't mean he didn't do many wonderful things and give wonderful sermons. You've heard one sermon from Rev. Wright and now you know everything about him, right?

3. He never rejected his endorsement. He rejected that sermon and stood by his preacher - he stood by a guy who he believes to be a good and honest man. Hell, my wife and I don't see things the same way 90% of the time. If she called you a dirty Injun does it make me a racist? How can you accuse Obama of having the same opinions of his preacher? They are two different people.

4. You either didn't read Obama's speech or it was over your head!

NO, I didnt miss anything in your quote. I just pointed out that when you talked about teaching the children of each generation, it didnt matter if you were in the ghetto or not, respect and hard work should be taught no matter what.

Thanks Einstein! Noone is saying it shouldn't be. I'm saying that these are things are not taught and haven't been taught for generations. That's part of the problem. That's how this has evolved. You, me, Steve - we're the people we are because of the environment we were raised in.

That environment exists because of racial inequality. It's been passed down from generation to generation just like your resentment has been passed down from generation to generation.

And you know what? This MINORITY Obama seemed to do ok since he went to Harvard and is doing ok career wise. And he most likely made more money than a women in any job he had.

He was raised by well-to-do white people. He wasn't raised in the ghetto.