Just a speech?

[Brian Oshman]

Susan, great debate from you.

[Brian Oshman]

Poverty knows no color, it is not prejudice, it runs ramped in all walks of life, white, black, red, yellow, purple, etc...

Just because you are poor does not give you a free pass to be lazy or not have morals or not try to be a better person, that is a choice that comes from within. We are all born with the instinct for survival but if you have the choice to sponge off of society instead of making your own way then that opens the door to take advantage of the ones that choose to better themselves and their communities. It has nothing to do with your environment, it has to do with your self respect. If you want to be a piece of $h!t then you will be a piece of $h!t. Knowing right from wrong is inside all of us, some just choose to ignore it.

If there were less Government involvement then there would be more incentive for you to get off of your a$$ and make something of yourself instead of taking the easy road and have it handed to you.

It is time for people to start taking responsibility for themselves and stop acting like they are entitled to take from the others that actually do get up in the morning and make a better life and a better world.

[FIT]

Now you're being a dick

Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. Feel special Brian.

No one. Sorry missed the space. You should've been able to figure that out. Aren't you the psycic mod in here?

[EliteMike]

Well, I've felt it all along. I'd actually feel more comfortable to see CLinton on the ticket. If she's not, I"ll probably swing republican.

I guess you guys had a fun Friday night. Claws came out

[Tanning Queen]

Ok, here we go about Mom. Dude, you obviously have no clue what I went thru nor the circumstances. If in less than a month your life gets thrown into turmoil, how would you have time to coordinate the sale? Here is a rundown AGAIN for those who missed it.

Mom gets news the cancer has spread to her entire body Dec 13, 2005. Treatment goes from monthly to weekly. If you know how chemo reacts with the body,you know that the day of treatment, there is alot of energy from the steriods. A day or so later, you cant even get up out of bed without help. So, there goes at least 2 days of my week with that. Nevermind the fact that her treatment took at least 4 hours and was downtown in the city. Sometimes we couldnt get her treatment that day depending on her cell count. We would have to get blood instead, then come back in a few days.

Now, tell me. How can I plan on being open and run the salon when each day would present a different issue? I tried it for a few weeks and we were closed at random times. NOT fair to my clients. Selling the business was just not a priority when I didnt want to spend the time dealing with potential buyers when all I wanted to do was focus on my mother. It was much easier to sell off the equipment when I felt like it.

If I wasnt successful, I would NOT have been able to quit last minute, not work for a year, return EVERY PENNY to clients (even ones that had just one session left) to a total of 2743 people. So, try to diminish what I did for my Mother all you want, but I would not change it for the world. I was there watching her die. WHen you watch the one you love go thru that and know it is the end, then come to me and talk about your choices.

[Tanning Queen]

Now lets discuss schools. Please remind me what schools outside of Archmere, Tower Hill, St. Marks, & Salesianum are decent in DE? Shall we start comparing transcripts and SAT scores now? But please be patient and speak slowly, it is hard for me to comprehend things...

[FIT]

Sorry for anyone who loses a family member. Just not buying you liquidated a $170,000 a year income rather than plugging any fool off the street in there to run it - or closing until you could get a buyer. Hiring a real estate agent to list your place is about the easiest thing on the planet to do.

I didn't buy it a year ago when you laid that story on me and I aint buying it now. $170,000 income in an all stand-up salon? Nope. And then just liquidate it? Nope. Ain't buying it.

[FIT]

Even worse than your comprehension is your propensity to assume things. Just because I live in DE doesn't mean I was raised there.

[TonyG]

FIT, for someone who supports the great healer (who wants to bring us all together and do away with old-style politics), you certainly have allowed yourself to wrestle in the mud the old fashioned way.

You are making personal attacks and questioning someone's integrity. That is very old school politics. Bill Clinton would be very proud of you. Tsk Tsk.

[FIT]

Queenie has personally attacked me numerous times over the past year and I've held it back. It doesn't make me right but just had enough.

[Tanning Queen]

WOuld you like me to produce my tax returns?

I closed it because of my Mom. I just didnt care anymore. I didnt want to bother with it when she was the reason I was there. She was the one that believed in me and we were going to run it together when she retired. It didnt happen. She retired and died. I lost the drive to want to be there. When you have been dealing with 4 years of cancer treatments that you think are working then in a matter of weeks, she has gone from a person who could walk and talk to someone who cant feed herself and cant even tell me she is in pain, all things change. When you are in this position, call me. I will be much more supportive of your choices than you being to me right now.

Side bar, I am a full time Realtor. When this was going on, my broker even suggested it was easier to just close it then to try and sell it. She felt it was more important to focus on my Mother and not worry about anything else. Take a look at even selling things on here. If you thought it was easy to sell a business, thriving or not, when you are dealing with MAJOR live altering issues, you are sadly mistaken. It would have just taken too long and I really wasnt thinking about anything but her.

[Tanning Queen]

Where have I personally attacked you over the last year other than the comment about patriotism? Sorry, I dont know anyone that is that patriotic that waits til mid life to begin to vote.

[FIT]

It started way back here ...

FIT,

I hate to say it but it sounds like you are out of electric and should really have more AC to run your place properly.

I am glad that you were able to open the salon for so little but I think you should have done a bit more homework only for the fact that if you need to expand, you are gonna have to spend WAAAAY more now than if you did it from the beginning

[Tanning Queen]

THAT is a personal attack??????? And you say I am slow...

[Kathe]

You know FIT, it is one thing to attack the argument but when you start attacking the person that is going too far. Unless you walk in someones shoes you can't in any way judge how they should handle a situation. For someone who is so in-tune with the black situation and how bad you feel for them, you do not show the same consideration to a peer on this board. So why do you feel so much for the black person?

You owe Queen an apology. You were not in her shoes and to judge her the way you did was wrong. This is a debate about Obama, his values, whether he is lying or not, etc. This is not about why she closed her salon and whether or not you would have done the same. She did it, she had her reasons and to her they were good reasons. And SHE is not running for president of the United States.

Lastly, I am offended by your use of blasphemy in your speaking. Would you ever use your mothers name the same way you used the creator of the universe? I don't think so? Since when do we swear using that and think it's ok?

A healthy debate is good for all but when you stoop to demeaning someone else, swearing, etc it then takes away from the debate and we get nowhere.

The topic is Obama and his relationship with his preacher. When you sit under a preacher for 20 years and tell the world that he is your spiritual mentor and that he guides you then that preacher comes out and speaks hate against the very country that you want to be president of that is a concern, hopefully for all Americans.

This church's foundation is in Africa. Before all the huge press on this their website was full of information that is gone now. They believe the USA is 2nd to Africa and that is where their allegience is. They honored Louis Farakhan (sp?) in their church? Was Obama in that ceremony? I don't know but would be interested to find that out.

There are just too many concerns about him to me.

Kathe

[FIT]

You were not in her shoes and to judge her the way you did was wrong

I'm not judging it. I just don't believe it.

[FIT]

I'm sorry you are offended Kathe. I have a great deal of respect for you. I have very different beliefs than you but I will withhold those. Nevertheless, I will acknowledge that is offensive to you and not repeat it.

[Tanning Queen]

I dont care if you believe it. It is the truth.

[Kathe]

Originally Posted by FIT

I'm sorry you are offended Kathe. I have a great deal of respect for you. I have very different beliefs than you but I will withhold those. Nevertheless, I will acknowledge that is offensive to you and not repeat it.

Thank you

[Kathe]

Originally Posted by FIT

I'm not judging it. I just don't believe it.

You are judging her. By saying that you don't believe her and that she should have done something else you are judging her. She made what she thought was the best decision in her situation. It was an emotional time for her. None of us has the right to say anything about that, especially now that the time is well past.

That is quite different than someone coming on here talking about what equipment, how much air, etc. That is technical stuff. And most are pretty blunt about this kind of stuff on here. Mostly because of the BTDT and spent too much money making the mistakes kind of thing. But we cannot know what really was going on in Queen's personal life and when a daughter is losing a mother to a vicious cancer all reason goes out the window.

I just wish this would get back on topic instead of all this personal stuff.

Kathe