VOTE: Do we need a Salon Owner Only Area?

[jmtan]

Originally Posted by Brian Oshman

60 votes out of the thousands here is a minority. If this was clearly needed then alot more would step up to the plate and vote. It didn't bring anyone new out of the woodwork to post a comment and vote. All that will happen is everyone will just want access and just lurk anyway.

Another ridiculous post. The people that are voting and commenting thread are the people who put the content on this board in the first place. So now you are saying the most active posters don't matter? And the only people who matter are the people who lurk and don't post??

Drink some more of Alan's koolaide Brian.

[JustTans23]

What Else Do You Want Out Of TanToday?

I'm still looking for the pages that have been typed with the real reason.

[Tanning Queen]

Now 4 plus me so 5, FIVE people will verify!!!!

[Tanning Queen]

Where is Judie or anyone from LF on this? Where do they stand? Since THEY are the ones that own the site now...

[Island Cove]

60 votes out of the thousands here is a minority.

so if i ran a vote in my store, over the weekend when only maybe 80-90 people total came through my door of my 7000 people client base list, and 80% voted one way,then it wouldn't count? How about the fact that i may have 500 active people per year, and those people are active in different months? so that weekend, i may have seen the majority of my tanners that month, in that weekend. If you base this vote on how many people are registered, well thats not fair. I was registered as COVE, but don't know my pasword, so I'm also island cove, and how about all the people that aren't addicted to the sites and don't play on it on the weekend, or maybe just a few times a month. How many ACTIVE users in the last month? that would be a much more acurate Poll, and how many of those active users would play on here on the weekend. I say delete this whole thread, start a new poll, lock it up so know one can say a word about it, and delete any topics or anything said to sway anyone one way or the other. then realy see what happens this week when everyone is back to work.

I can think of several people just off the top of my head i haven't seen online this weekend.

[rcknep3]

Originally Posted by Alan @ TanToday

People didnt vote for #2, not because they didnt see it or they didnt know they couldnt vote for multiple boxes, they didnt choose #2 because they wont share anything in private that they dont already share now.

Obviously you do not take the time to read the posts about this. This complete thing is a shame. Just say "This is MY forum, I don't want it so you don't get it!"

I've read about 4 or 5 people say they did not realize to vote for more than 1 because in their error they did not read the complete text. Their fault? Partly but this poll is also set up very poorly in order to get the results you want. It didn't work out the way you planned so you are just spinning it now. I wasn't even going to post anymore but this is just a joke.......And if you truely believe the words coming out of your mouth, then why delete a clearly writen poll? Hmm no way to spin a spin 2 choice poll?

[Island Cove]

in the world of voting, say presidential elections, if only 1 million people chose to vote, of the several million people, they don't throw out the election because people didn't vote. You just don't get your voice heard.

[stan@sunsys]

Originally Posted by Brian Oshman

60 votes out of the thousands here is a minority.

That's not how the statistics of any poll or vote works, you should know that.

If this was clearly needed then alot more would step up to the plate and vote. It didn't bring anyone new out of the woodwork to post a comment and vote. All that will happen is everyone will just want access and just lurk anyway.

That is what I said in my suggestion to Alan... before I saw your post. The problem with this excuse though is Alan was already suggesting an outcomve after only 5 votes and 3 hours.

[Alan @ TanToday]

Originally Posted by Tanning Queen

Where is Judie or anyone from LF on this? Where do they stand? Since THEY are the ones that own the site now...

I know where they stand and Judie isnt the one who is making these kinds of decisions. She is their edtor. There are 3 people who make decisions that change the structure of the forums. All 3 talked about this back in March in detail.

I get tired of repeating myself. For US, yes the 3 of us, to justify taking content offline, there must be additional information being shared that WILL HELP salon owners. People voted and it doesnt show it. So, we will discuss this again later on TODAY and there may be a new forum added or they may not be. I am not against adding a private forum. I am against doing it just to do it. I tell you this now, if it doesnt happen, every thread that truly isnt private worthy will be moved to Salon Discussion.

Queen, you are also going to stop using profanity just because people, ie: me, arent agreeing with you or you dont agree with the results. I stated it crystal clear in Post #1 that the most important thing that this poll needs to show is that members will post additional information in private that they dont already post. The poll shows that alot wont. It also shows that alot of people could care less simply by the # of people who arent chiming in.

[sunsally]

Come on folks -- this whole thing was just intended to get everyone all "talked out" on the focus on the moderator behavior and finally exhaust everyone enough to say "heck with it" and go back to being good, complacent posters.

Alan has been "CRYSTAL CLEAR" as he has said repeatedly (keep thinking of that scene in "A Few Good Men" where Jack Nicholson spouts off like such a know-it-all jerk -- 'course we know how that worked out for him ) -- there will be NO PRIVATE FORUM! People kept whining, so he put up a crap poll (I am trained to do surveying for a living - that is my PROFESSIONALLY TRAINED assessment - not just an opinion!) and said "see - no need. I'm right!". He was just messing with us. Or -- to use TanToday commonly accepted parlance -- He was F**king with us!!

And anyone that tried to say otherwise -- well, according to Alan, you "ride the short bus". No offense intended I'm SURE - hope nobody here has a handicapped child and felt the sting from that "insult". C'mon -- Tantoday is about TOUGH LOVE - man up!

And if the come-uppity poster folk try to make their own poll -- well, we'll make it disappear! Now get to the back of the short bus before we turn on the hoses!

Members - YOU are this community. Now get in line Dam*mit or we'll slap you again until you learn to like it!


The Great and Powerful OZ has spoken!!

[JustTans23]

Not everyone sits on the computer all day like us. Some people that voted probably just voted and then logged off and went and enjoyed their sunday. I say again though Alan, I hope in the meeting you won't skew the numbers and will at least include those of us who have admitted our mistake in not voting for #2 and add our votes in when presenting the results of this poll.

[rcknep3]

Originally Posted by Kathe

I missed that we could vote for more than one. I voted #1 simply because I felt we should have already had a private forum to use for all sorts of reasons, including sharing more if that is what someone wanted. I, too, think this poll was misleading.

An it's bad enought you are not even hearing your members, what about your paying sponsors?

And do you realize those on here who think it is a good idea now represent 50,081 OF THE POSTS ON THIS SITE. And also how are you sure this forum will not open people up to share? Are you always right in life?

And the bigger question is what if it fails??????

What have you lost? LITTLE, close it back down. You have people giving their time to deal with the validations so not your time. And if you loose just 1 sponsor over this you have likely lost more $ by not adding it.

[rcknep3]

Originally Posted by Brian Oshman

60 votes out of the thousands here is a minority. If this was clearly needed then alot more would step up to the plate and vote. It didn't bring anyone new out of the woodwork to post a comment and vote. All that will happen is everyone will just want access and just lurk anyway.

Come on Brian I like you, but 60 people out of thousands that do not participate.....these 50 people represent over 50,000 posts on here so don't call them a minority.

[Alan @ TanToday]

I will simply cut and paste from here on out.

I get tired of repeating myself. For US, yes the 3 of us, to justify taking content offline, there must be additional information being shared that WILL HELP salon owners. People voted and it doesnt show it. So, we will discuss this again later on TODAY and there may be a new forum added or they may not be. I am not against adding a private forum. I am against doing it just to do it. I tell you this now, if it doesnt happen, every thread that truly isnt private worthy will be moved to Salon Discussion.

Can we agree on that?

[rcknep3]

Originally Posted by Island Cove

I do believe though there were lots o people who thought that they only were able to check one choice. I watched Rob do that exact thing on the Brian oshman topic, picked just one then submitted, and i told him, oh you didn't answer the rest of the questions and he said he didn't know he could. But now how does Alan realy know who just missed the #2 vote and who are claiming they did only to get the forum? I still think the private forum would be good though.

Yeah but Brians choices made logical sense unlike this poll. Brian basically created a grouping of clearly yes/no options.

[rcknep3]

Originally Posted by Tanning Queen

Ok, so that is 3 people that will verify. Hell, I will throw my hat into the pile if that gets the damn thing done! I am on the phone all day anyway with RE leads so why not call salon owners or industry professionals.

4, Mike (I think) but out an offer too.

[rcknep3]

Originally Posted by Tanning Queen

Now 4 plus me so 5, FIVE people will verify!!!!

6 (if I remember Mike, I'm not reading through all this garbage again)...ok 7 (I'll help when I am in town)

[Tanning Queen]

I cursed because I am sick and tired of you NOT listening to everyone else. You just have your hands over your ears. Again, several people have said they mis read the poll and would have voted for more than one spot had they read it correctly. I personally would have. So your numbers are skewed.

You keep forcing the fact that NO ONE will post their secrets because the poll shows that. But in fact, it doesnt show that. It shows taht people want the forum and have wanted it for a long time. Making one WILL help the salon owners by the simple fact that all of our junk isnt out there for the world to see. It HURTS us now by having every joe blow see all of our dirty laundry,pricing, discounts, ranting, raving, etc. I think that now, more than ever, we need a private area. Derms and govt look for any reason to hurt us. Why give them more fuel? Why HELP our clients learn how much it costs to buy lotion and how much we mark it up? We all know they know we have a markup, but do we need to spell it out for them in black and white?

[rcknep3]

Originally Posted by Alan @ TanToday

I will simply cut and paste from here on out.

Great leadership, I hope everyone at Looking Fit is also reading this. Maybe instead of asking for a private forum we should be asking for someone to run this site that will listen to those who supply the content. Just because someone started somthing and grew it doesnt make them king...look at how many CEO are replaced yearly from companies that start great and the flounder. With them, the board makes leadership changes.

[stan@sunsys]

Originally Posted by Alan @ TanToday

I stated it crystal clear in Post #1 that the most important thing that this poll needs to show is that members will post additional information in private that they dont already post. The poll shows that alot wont. It also shows that alot of people could care less simply by the # of people who arent chiming in.

#1 doesn't show or suggest what you are saying. If you worded it differently it could have. Stop being as dishonest about this as you are accusing everyone else of being.

Here, I'll help you out a little. Stick to the last sentance of your reasoning. Even if the results showed 2 to 1 agreeing that they would post in a private forum, or 4 to 1, not enough people expressed interest.

Of course, then you're left with the issue that this poll was taken on a hot summer weekend and not given any reasonable time to run its course. But I'm sure you'll think of something to disregard that problem.