HP: Mattress VS. Combo VS. 360

[Brian Oshman]

Originally Posted by InternationalTan

The N'Joy Mattress Brian says runs on a 52 amp phase current, so 60amp breaker, single phase.

Are those 3 phase numbers or single phase? if a 50amp 3 phase is converted to single phase we are looking at 90amps=cant do that......

Dean's numbers are three phase ratings, not single and the Sunsport Platinum will run three phase only as it is basically half of a Magic and has a triac board to adjust lamp output and that only operates on three phase.

Looks like I will be coming down there with the N'Joy.

[Parrot Head]

The N'joy---a great little bed, but will accomodate a larger person. It puts a tan ya and is a comfortable session. Nice fan w/a lot of air movement.

[northtanman]

i think you are just about screwed without 3 phase...as if any run on single phase it will be HIGH amp breaker....plus you'd no dought need more a/c too. i have 600 amps of single phase....400 amps of 3 phase

[unity]

The N'Joy is great from what I hear.

[BIG AL]

The N'Joy does tan well but it does not have a presence. Compaired to most of the other HP beds out there, it looks like a toy. The yellow-green color of the bed is not awe inspiring either. If you can overlook those two things, it will tan. In my market, I could not get $30 a session from the N'Joy.

[Brian Oshman]

She could and it is about the only thing she can power at her place.

I get 100 mW/cm² A+B out of this sucker. That's tannin'!

[BIG AL]

The new ones are gray. I didn't ask if it was a new unit or a used one. I don't think they make the combo unit anymore. For a HP unit, I don't think there is anything that draws less power. Around 40 amps 3 phase and around 50-55 or so single phase.

[kpowr82]

Originally Posted by northtanman

well, heres a twist...i started with an omega (mattress) it was getting used non stop so i added another! then i added a 360 HP (sunboard plus) all the while i also had a ergo 650 combination unit. still to this date, the omega's get used more in a months time than the ergo or sunboard plus...although each get used enough. something about those mattress HP units...once they get used to them, they don't look back. buying a mattress is less expensive than a 360 and terrific to test the waters...then add a 360. one should be careful and totally learn all about true HP versus reddening induced Hp...blue glass versus mirror'd glass and so on.
its easiest to sell true HP, non burning...as it reaches out to all your clientele. mattress has many benefits especially no spots on your back and the ability to cheat the session...one does'nt "have" to turn over exactly half way thru thus getting more exposure on their front side (like laying out in the sun) does anyone lay the same amount of time? back and front? i love having all....matress's...360 and combi....my ergo 650 reaches to those whom want instant gratification! instant vacation color! more of a reddening (not burning) induced color...as compared to the more gentle feel of true HP...and brown, not reddening induced color that true HP gives.

The Omega gets more use because it flat out tans the Ergo and the Sunboard. The Sunboard IMO is junk. You may disagree, but it's the worst 360 HP out there . The ergo is good too, but I think people would rather have pure HP for 20 min than combo for 15.

If you have a big salon, DEFINATELY have both units. Why not? When I eliminated my 818's for the Matrix L33 I know I lost some custos over it. The problem is, I'm a small salon and have to maximize the revenue generated by each room. If I had the SS Platinum though, or an Entropy Mattress, or a P90 Mattress, I think they'd get just as much as use as my Matrix. Hell, I wish I could find a used Omega and had room for it. That is a BADASS bed.

[northtanman]

^^^funny thing is though...yes the omega's do an awesome job and the easiest to sell, cause they lend themselves to a wider audience due to the fact we can put in clients max session day one...and virtually no risk of sunburn weighs wonders...but i never go in them and always do the sunboard and occasionally the 650 cause its so fast! so, point is...the sunboard works fine in my lineup...it would be different if i had a magic or other 360HP...but for the money they can be bought for...they are BIG moneymakers....and they do work! its a gentle giant! very little B...comfortable as any bed i've ever been in...a most relaxing feel...and color that lasts...with minor risk of burning. omega's get used alot cause of the way we SELL them and thats what HP is all about. being sold on. fortunately ALL my upper level beds get used alot. i'll run the reports for june and see how they compared.

[kpowr82]

Originally Posted by northtanman

^^^funny thing is though...yes the omega's do an awesome job and the easiest to sell, cause they lend themselves to a wider audience due to the fact we can put in clients max session day one...and virtually no risk of sunburn weighs wonders...but i never go in them and always do the sunboard and occasionally the 650 cause its so fast! so, point is...the sunboard works fine in my lineup...it would be different if i had a magic or other 360HP...but for the money they can be bought for...they are BIG moneymakers....and they do work! its a gentle giant! very little B...comfortable as any bed i've ever been in...a most relaxing feel...and color that lasts...with minor risk of burning. omega's get used alot cause of the way we SELL them and thats what HP is all about. being sold on. fortunately ALL my upper level beds get used alot. i'll run the reports for june and see how they compared.

I guess my only experience with the Sunboard is from the crappy salons in my area. LIke the big chains that don't relamp. I've tanned in them at my comps and I wasn't impressed or even satisfied. I get LOTS of feedback from new clients on this bed. They thinks it's the cats' pajamas until they tan in my Matrix

BUT, if you're in an area that doesn't have high end 360s like the Magic, the Sunboard will do well. And again, as I said, my experience with this bed is only with the crap chains around me.

[InternationalTan]

I am getting an N'Joy not a sunboard

[BIG AL]

It will get you a good tatse of Hp. It may do so well for you, that you decide to upgrage your electrical and put in more Hp.

"I guess my only experience with the Sunboard is from the crappy salons in my area. LIke the big chains that don't relamp. I've tanned in them at my comps and I wasn't impressed or even satisfied. I get LOTS of feedback from new clients on this bed. They thinks it's the cats' pajamas until they tan in my Matrix "

I have Sunboards, P90, Velocitys, and Matrix surrounding my salon. They think the Matrix is the cat's pajama, until they try the Magic.

[kpowr82]

Originally Posted by BIG AL

It will get you a good tatse of Hp. It may do so well for you, that you decide to upgrage your electrical and put in more Hp.

"I guess my only experience with the Sunboard is from the crappy salons in my area. LIke the big chains that don't relamp. I've tanned in them at my comps and I wasn't impressed or even satisfied. I get LOTS of feedback from new clients on this bed. They thinks it's the cats' pajamas until they tan in my Matrix "

I have Sunboards, P90, Velocitys, and Matrix surrounding my salon. They think the Matrix is the cat's pajama, until they try the Magic.

Thinking back, I wish I would have went Magic. We have a salon in our franchise that has a Magic and has nothing but problems with it since just about day 1. He gets VERY LITTLE support from Matthias to the point where they aren't returning his phone calls. I guess a lot has been rectified since he purchased his unit (including the transformer that is included with the unit). It does out tan any other HP I have tried though.

[northtanman]

^^^matt...comparing the matrix (reddening induced) to sunboard (more browning) which is less noticable. matrix as with my ergo is sold as more of a reddening induced instant gratification tan as compared to the gentleness of the sunboard. keeping up with HP lamp changes is important in the sunboard...at about 350 hours is recommended...which proves costly in the long run, but its the cost of of keeping sunboard users happy too. with HP its so much about how its being sold that sells it to the clients. again me having a few different types of HP is a totally omgoing info/education to my clients....but one that once the clients "gets" HP, they never turn back....including myself. i never tan without HP...at least on my face...meaning i stull use my ergo 650 for that instant wow tan/result. as opposed to that gentle browning the sunboard plus does...and the omega's? i tend to stay away just cause of the thought of tuening over, but once in awhile i use them...and once i'm in the unit, its no big deal...plus i like how you can cheat the session...one does not have to turn over halfway thru

[kpowr82]

Originally Posted by northtanman

^^^matt...comparing the matrix (reddening induced) to sunboard (more browning) which is less noticable. matrix as with my ergo is sold as more of a reddening induced instant gratification tan as compared to the gentleness of the sunboard. keeping up with HP lamp changes is important in the sunboard...at about 350 hours is recommended...which proves costly in the long run, but its the cost of of keeping sunboard users happy too. with HP its so much about how its being sold that sells it to the clients. again me having a few different types of HP is a totally omgoing info/education to my clients....but one that once the clients "gets" HP, they never turn back....including myself. i never tan without HP...at least on my face...meaning i stull use my ergo 650 for that instant wow tan/result. as opposed to that gentle browning the sunboard plus does...and the omega's? i tend to stay away just cause of the thought of tuening over, but once in awhile i use them...and once i'm in the unit, its no big deal...plus i like how you can cheat the session...one does not have to turn over halfway thru

Yup, I've had clients in my old 818's tell me they don't like the Matrix cause they used to lay the whole 30 minutes face up! BTW, if you think the sunboard is costly, try changing 33 lamps every 400 hours. My Matrix devours HP lamps, I think cause it runs so damn hot. I've added a 1 ton portable AC to the 2 tons that's in the room already, hopefully that'll extend lamp life.

I'd like to come up there and tan in a well maintained Sunboard, we don't have any of those around here.

[BIG AL]

Every HP bed needs at least 2 tons and most 3 tons of AC. It helps if you can dump a lot of the AC, directly into the air intake of the bed, with the rest into the room itself. I don't know if the Matrix has a place where the AC can be hooked directly into the bed, like the Magic does. The AC blows thru the vents, onto the customer, plus it helps cool the bed.

[kpowr82]

The Matrix has it's air intake at the head of the unit. No direct plug in, but dropping AC directly in front of those intakes helps to cool the unit and keep the tanner cool. The air coming from the cooling fans is much cooler than without the ac dumping, but it isn't cold by any means.