Magic Suns vs 9K90s - TanToday - Helping Salon Owners, One At A Time, Since 2000!

SandiGirl · 4th April 2008, 12:27 PM

So the 9K90s are suppose to be the high falootin lamp with more UVA output.

I was told by someone who sells both, that the Magic Suns will give more and the colour will be better. The only downfall is the life of the Magic Suns are shorter. I have Magic Suns already in one bed and was going to replace my Cosmolux VHRs with the 9K90s.

Anyone have experience with both or meter comparisons?

Annnnnnd, if I put 200W lamps in my 180W bed, how much will that shorten the life? (I couldn't find that other thread with all the wattage/ballast/lamp life info.)

John · 4th April 2008, 01:06 PM

If your bed only has a 180W ballast & you put a lamp in that is labeled 200W, it won't make any difference what so ever.

Which Magic Sun lamps do you have?

SandiGirl · 4th April 2008, 02:35 PM

I have the 20/160s

SandiGirl · 4th April 2008, 02:37 PM

Some people prefer the Cosmolux VHR 180s over the 20/160s...because they're less intense. So I'm just trying to figure out what to replamp the 180s with. And the stand up which also has Cosmolux 160s.

John · 4th April 2008, 04:59 PM

What unit are the 180's in?

The Magic Sun 20/160R will give more immediate color. The 9K90 lamp is much lower UVB & very high UVA. You won't see your peak color from the 9K90 lamp until much later, 4-6 hrs after tanning.
You will need to edjucate the clients on this.

Also I prefer the 9k90 lamps in 15 minute sessions. For 10 -12 minutes try the Sig Series HP, Philips Swift HP or the Wolff Bronzing Sun Plus HPK90 VSR. They all have a kick more UVB than the 9K90, same UVA, but still not as much UVB as the 20/160R.

SandiGirl · 4th April 2008, 05:42 PM

Tanses TX44 for the 180s. I have the 20/160s are in the TX52.

What about the Voltarc PWR series?

SandiGirl · 4th April 2008, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John

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Also I prefer the 9k90 lamps in 15 minute sessions. For 10 -12 minutes try the Sig Series HP, Philips Swift HP or the Wolff Bronzing Sun Plus HPK90 VSR. They all have a kick more UVB than the 9K90, same UVA, but still not as much UVB as the 20/160R.

That was my concern...would they get to do their thang in 8 minute sessions.

Beat · 4th April 2008, 06:54 PM

Hi John,

what about?

http://www.original-hanau-suncare.co...80003022_e.pdf

solarmeter® · 4th April 2008, 08:39 PM

Good morning over there All-Star Beat.

The pdf says Eery total is 70.6 mW/m² which = 0.07 W/m² Eeff. What does it read on a Model 7.5 W/m² Eeff meter?

(Single lamp at 25cm with 1 hour pre-aging).

SandiGirl · 5th April 2008, 04:36 PM

phattmatt · 6th April 2008, 04:41 PM

We have tried many lamps over the years and meterd results on a lot with our Tanses T52vhr and Magic Sun far outperforms all others in color and longevity.

SandiGirl · 6th April 2008, 06:41 PM

Longevity in the lamps or their colour? The're only 600hrs and the 9K90s are 800 or 1000.

dbl-a · 7th April 2008, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SandiGirl

Longevity in the lamps or their colour? The're only 600hrs and the 9K90s are 800 or 1000.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you'll get nowhere near those hours.

John · 7th April 2008, 05:19 PM

Beat,

Correct the 4/160R is very close to the 9K90 lamps. has a touch more UVB but won't notice much. They work great in most Combi beds.

SandiGirl · 7th April 2008, 06:14 PM

John...if you were to pick for my 180W (8 minute max), what would it be...Magic Suns, Voltarc PWR or 9K90s?

phattmatt · 8th April 2008, 10:48 PM

I have never had a 9k90 last 800 hours nor 1000

SandiGirl · 8th April 2008, 11:30 PM

Ohhh interesting. How long? You continuously meter them and they dropped much before 800hrs?

SandiGirl · 23rd April 2008, 04:33 AM

I Can't Decide!!!

(WHY WON'T CAPS LOCK WORK ON THAT 1ST SENTENCE?)

danggirl · 23rd April 2008, 09:13 AM

Hey Beat I have a question.

I just came back from italy why does mostly everyone use spf to tan indoors? All I seen was mostly everyone selling spf 6. Then jumping in to either facial tanners or hp. I thought spf would stop alot of the effects of the tanning process?

SandiGirl · 23rd April 2008, 12:48 PM

Uhhhhhh start your on thread on that. This is about me making up my mind and I don't need any confusion. Mmmkay thanks, happy thread starting.

4th April 2008, 12:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
SandiGirl Hall of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 3,865	Magic Suns vs 9K90s So the 9K90s are suppose to be the high falootin lamp with more UVA output. I was told by someone who sells both, that the Magic Suns will give more and the colour will be better. The only downfall is the life of the Magic Suns are shorter. I have Magic Suns already in one bed and was going to replace my Cosmolux VHRs with the 9K90s. Anyone have experience with both or meter comparisons? Annnnnnd, if I put 200W lamps in my 180W bed, how much will that shorten the life? (I couldn't find that other thread with all the wattage/ballast/lamp life info.) __________________ ************************************************ *************** Grammar Tip of the Year - Apostrophes are for condensing and belonging...NOT pluralizing. SandiGirl ~ Changing tanning forums one apostrophe at a time.

4th April 2008, 01:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
John Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cleveland Posts: 1,615	Re: Magic Suns vs 9K90s If your bed only has a 180W ballast & you put a lamp in that is labeled 200W, it won't make any difference what so ever. Which Magic Sun lamps do you have? __________________

4th April 2008, 02:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
SandiGirl Hall of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 3,865	Re: Magic Suns vs 9K90s I have the 20/160s __________________ ************************************************ *************** Grammar Tip of the Year - Apostrophes are for condensing and belonging...NOT pluralizing. SandiGirl ~ Changing tanning forums one apostrophe at a time.

4th April 2008, 02:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
SandiGirl Hall of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 3,865	Re: Magic Suns vs 9K90s Some people prefer the Cosmolux VHR 180s over the 20/160s...because they're less intense. So I'm just trying to figure out what to replamp the 180s with. And the stand up which also has Cosmolux 160s. __________________ ************************************************ *************** Grammar Tip of the Year - Apostrophes are for condensing and belonging...NOT pluralizing. SandiGirl ~ Changing tanning forums one apostrophe at a time.

4th April 2008, 04:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
John Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cleveland Posts: 1,615	Re: Magic Suns vs 9K90s What unit are the 180's in? The Magic Sun 20/160R will give more immediate color. The 9K90 lamp is much lower UVB & very high UVA. You won't see your peak color from the 9K90 lamp until much later, 4-6 hrs after tanning. You will need to edjucate the clients on this. Also I prefer the 9k90 lamps in 15 minute sessions. For 10 -12 minutes try the Sig Series HP, Philips Swift HP or the Wolff Bronzing Sun Plus HPK90 VSR. They all have a kick more UVB than the 9K90, same UVA, but still not as much UVB as the 20/160R. __________________

4th April 2008, 05:42 PM	#6 (permalink)
SandiGirl Hall of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 3,865	Re: Magic Suns vs 9K90s Tanses TX44 for the 180s. I have the 20/160s are in the TX52. What about the Voltarc PWR series? __________________ ************************************************ *************** Grammar Tip of the Year - Apostrophes are for condensing and belonging...NOT pluralizing. SandiGirl ~ Changing tanning forums one apostrophe at a time.

4th April 2008, 06:54 PM	#8 (permalink)
Beat All Star Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Milan, Italy Posts: 201	Re: Magic Suns vs 9K90s Hi John, what about? http://www.original-hanau-suncare.co...80003022_e.pdf __________________ "Progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." - Robert A. Heinlein

4th April 2008, 08:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
solarmeter® UV Geek Squad Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Lake St Clair Posts: 3,327	Re: Magic Suns vs 9K90s Good morning over there All-Star Beat. The pdf says Eery total is 70.6 mW/m² which = 0.07 W/m² Eeff. What does it read on a Model 7.5 W/m² Eeff meter? (Single lamp at 25cm with 1 hour pre-aging). __________________ ......................Flashback 2001........................ "One of the 'ORIGINAL' TanToday Gang"

5th April 2008, 04:36 PM	#10 (permalink)
SandiGirl Hall of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 3,865	Re: Magic Suns vs 9K90s __________________ ************************************************ *************** Grammar Tip of the Year - Apostrophes are for condensing and belonging...NOT pluralizing. SandiGirl ~ Changing tanning forums one apostrophe at a time.

6th April 2008, 04:41 PM	#11 (permalink)
phattmatt Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: entropy Florida Posts: 2,508	Re: Magic Suns vs 9K90s We have tried many lamps over the years and meterd results on a lot with our Tanses T52vhr and Magic Sun far outperforms all others in color and longevity. __________________ ......................Flashback 1999........................ "One of the 'ORIGINAL' TanToday Gang"

6th April 2008, 06:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
SandiGirl Hall of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 3,865	Re: Magic Suns vs 9K90s Longevity in the lamps or their colour? The're only 600hrs and the 9K90s are 800 or 1000. __________________ ************************************************ *************** Grammar Tip of the Year - Apostrophes are for condensing and belonging...NOT pluralizing. SandiGirl ~ Changing tanning forums one apostrophe at a time.

7th April 2008, 05:19 PM	#14 (permalink)
John Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cleveland Posts: 1,615	Re: Magic Suns vs 9K90s Beat, Correct the 4/160R is very close to the 9K90 lamps. has a touch more UVB but won't notice much. They work great in most Combi beds. __________________

7th April 2008, 06:14 PM	#15 (permalink)
SandiGirl Hall of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 3,865	Re: Magic Suns vs 9K90s John...if you were to pick for my 180W (8 minute max), what would it be...Magic Suns, Voltarc PWR or 9K90s? __________________ ************************************************ *************** Grammar Tip of the Year - Apostrophes are for condensing and belonging...NOT pluralizing. SandiGirl ~ Changing tanning forums one apostrophe at a time.

8th April 2008, 10:48 PM	#16 (permalink)
phattmatt Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: entropy Florida Posts: 2,508	Re: Magic Suns vs 9K90s I have never had a 9k90 last 800 hours nor 1000 __________________ ......................Flashback 1999........................ "One of the 'ORIGINAL' TanToday Gang"

8th April 2008, 11:30 PM	#17 (permalink)
SandiGirl Hall of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 3,865	Re: Magic Suns vs 9K90s Ohhh interesting. How long? You continuously meter them and they dropped much before 800hrs? __________________ ************************************************ *************** Grammar Tip of the Year - Apostrophes are for condensing and belonging...NOT pluralizing. SandiGirl ~ Changing tanning forums one apostrophe at a time.

23rd April 2008, 04:33 AM	#18 (permalink)
SandiGirl Hall of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 3,865	Re: Magic Suns vs 9K90s I Can't Decide!!! (WHY WON'T CAPS LOCK WORK ON THAT 1ST SENTENCE?) __________________ ************************************************ *************** Grammar Tip of the Year - Apostrophes are for condensing and belonging...NOT pluralizing. SandiGirl ~ Changing tanning forums one apostrophe at a time. Last edited by SandiGirl : 23rd April 2008 at 04:36 AM.

23rd April 2008, 09:13 AM	#19 (permalink)
danggirl Veteran Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 418	Re: Magic Suns vs 9K90s Hey Beat I have a question. I just came back from italy why does mostly everyone use spf to tan indoors? All I seen was mostly everyone selling spf 6. Then jumping in to either facial tanners or hp. I thought spf would stop alot of the effects of the tanning process?

23rd April 2008, 12:48 PM	#20 (permalink)
SandiGirl Hall of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 3,865	Re: Magic Suns vs 9K90s Uhhhhhh start your on thread on that. This is about me making up my mind and I don't need any confusion. Mmmkay thanks, happy thread starting. __________________ ************************************************ *************** Grammar Tip of the Year - Apostrophes are for condensing and belonging...NOT pluralizing. SandiGirl ~ Changing tanning forums one apostrophe at a time.

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