Out-dated Facial Lamp Sale

[TonyG]

Originally Posted by SUNNYDAYS

It is crazy to get upset about a date that makes no difference to you. You also got them $10 cheaper that what Robert sells that is comparable. Have you installed them and metered them yet? If they meter well will you still complain about the date?

I'm surprised you people are giving this person so much crap. He raised a valid issue. "New" generally implies 'recent'. If I see a 'new' car advertised as being on sale, and I show up and it is a 2004 model that has never been driven, then it may be 'unused', but it is not "new".

It may be that the car (or lamp) is totally unaffected by the 5 years of just sitting there, but you should still not call it 'new'.

[unity]

So then what is the cut-off point of "new" versus "unused new".

[TonyG]

Originally Posted by unity

So then what is the cut-off point of "new" versus "unused new".

I'm not sure how to define it, but like pornography, "I know it when I see it".

For cars, I think it would be the 'current model year' = 2008-2009.

I don't care anymore.

[SUNNYDAYS]

I just think that everyone told him the lamps will perform just as well as lamps that would be produced today and he got a $10 discount per lamp on top of that. Overall I think he got a good deal and will not have a problem with the lamps being produced a while ago.

[frankie]

Lamps do not wear out. If not used they are still new. I keep lamps around for spares and when I need one I do not say I need one of the old lamps. I say I need one of the new lamps.

In fact in some cases a lamp that has a later date on them might be better than the newer date. That has happened before. Put them in the bed and meter them. Then get back with us.

Now if you were ordering product then you would have a complaint but IMO you do not have one.

[northtanman]

Originally Posted by John

There is no date on the lamps, just a code. The box had a date on it.
The lamps in question are for an Omega bed which hasn't been made in 7-8 years. Most HP lamps are made in bulk and then boxed. Just because a box says 2009 on it, that doesn't mean it was made in 2009.

The lamps are new, they are not used. If we took the lamps out of the box or reboxed them like other HP lamp guys do, you would have never known what the date was.

Lamps only go bad by using them or breaking them.

I doubt that any manufacturer is making fresh 2000W 380V lamps.

ok john, lets ask robert if his lamps are "new" 2009's...or if he sells lamps made in 2004 and sells them as new?

when you sell something made in 2004. it should be sold and listed as such. your flyer should have stated "clearance priced old stock sale"...not "new" they were new in 2004, which is'nt new now.

i realize they will still perform as new...its just the point, these are old dated lamps. should'nt be sold as new. if i have a 2004 ergoline 650 and its still new in the crate...should i sell it as new?

[northtanman]

Originally Posted by TonyG

I'm surprised you people are giving this person so much crap. He raised a valid issue. "New" generally implies 'recent'. If I see a 'new' car advertised as being on sale, and I show up and it is a 2004 model that has never been driven, then it may be 'unused', but it is not "new".

It may be that the car (or lamp) is totally unaffected by the 5 years of just sitting there, but you should still not call it 'new'.

thanks tony...at least someone understands...

[northtanman]

no, i havent installed them yet...and yes, i expect they will be just fine...

[unity]

Lets get back to the car thing. I checked with my dealer on a couple items they sell as "new" yet they have not been made since 1998.

Should I expect a discount or refund for the stuff I ordered that was sold to me as new?

This really is a silly and pointless subject. You have NEW lamps. They are not used. Thats all there is to it.

Now, if someone sold me LOTION from 2004 I would be upset, it ages just sitting on the shelf.

[Brian Oshman]

[Brian Oshman]

This is really a nonsense post. New is new, not when it was made. A date only matters when a product is perishable.

[northtanman]

easy for you to say brian as you "sell". i think salon owners would rather be buying "new" facial lamps, rather than "old dated ones" period. whether they still work as new (which i know they will) is'nt the point. when we buy something "new" we expect it to be "new" not dated materials. do you think john paid the same price for these dated lamps? as he would "new" ones? i assume he got a truckload deal on dated lamps?? its misleading advertising a sale that is on dated lamps, selling them as new.
i don't think most salon owners would be happy paying for dated lamps, being sold as new. i don't care what you others are saying....these 2004 lamps are NOT new!! they may work as good as new, but they are not new and being sold as new. point is, "dated" should be expressed. i'd rather and will from now on, buy "new" from trusted individuals.

[John]

Now, if someone sold me LOTION from 2004 I would be upset, it ages just sitting on the shelf

Many lotions are 3-4 years old from major manufacturers. They also make 10,000 - 20,000 bottles at time. You would be surprised how long stuff can sit in warehouses. Yeah there are fast movers that are made fresh, but for every 1 of those there are 5-10 sitting, just waiting to be bought.

I don't feel the ad was misleading at all. It said Major Brand Hp lamp sale. We have Lighttech, Philips & Radium lamps on special. No where does it say "fresh made HP lamps at huge savings".

I believe that new is new unless there is an expiration date. Last I checked no lamps from any manufacturer in the world have expiration dates on them.

if i have a 2004 ergoline 650 and its still new in the crate...should i sell it as new

Absolutely you should. A 2004 Ergoline 650 New in box is worth a ton more than a used 2004 Ergoline 650. No, you can't get full list price for it, but I bet you could get substantially more for it.
A used 650 still goes for $10K, New in Box would get easily $15-$18K.

[frankie]

i'd rather and will from now on, buy "new" from trusted individuals.

WTF is that statement supposed to mean? Are you saying John cannot be trusted?? You are so far out of line with that statement it is ridiculous. John is one of the good guys and to think or say he cannot be trusted is so far from the truth.

[Michelle]

Originally Posted by northtanman

do you think john paid the same price for these dated lamps? as he would "new" ones? i assume he got a truckload deal on dated lamps?

I bet he did pay the same amount.

This thread is a joke, right?

[northtanman]

ok, lets settle this. if you want to buy from URI and get old, new lamps from 2004 go for it. if you want to buy new lamps...not old new ones, buy from robert...he sells new, not left over from 2004 lamps. you guys just can't get my point. i think its misleading to sell old, but new, cause they've never been used lamps....as new. i think uri sells dated stuff, period. like they are the "clearance house" personally, i'd rather buy "new" product...not dated and being sold as new. and if you think this post is pointless, stop responding.

[northtanman]

Originally Posted by frankie

WTF is that statement supposed to mean? Are you saying John cannot be trusted?? You are so far out of line with that statement it is ridiculous. John is one of the good guys and to think or say he cannot be trusted is so far from the truth.

i believe when i buy something as "new" i should'nt get something thats left over from 2004...and being sold as "new" had john said in his advertisement, he's having a sale on 2004 lamps, but new...i would'nt have a problem. i trusted him to be selling "new". of course most all of you so far, think selling a dated lamp from 2004 is "new" we will just have to agree to disagree.
i havent gotten 21 years in this business from hiding the truth to my clients. how do you think they'd feel if i told them i just put in lamps from 2004 cause they were on sale and i did'nt know i was getting dated lamps? it would'nt fly!
but hey, if i ever come across old product thats never been used...i have all of you to contact to sell it too. as new of course.

[unity]

Thanks, I needed this laugh.

[stan@sunsys]

I hate to tell you Jim, but this isn't a case of one person agreeing with another or disagreeing. There is a correct and an incorrect here. You are incorrect in your premise. Lamps that have not been used are new. Plain and simple. There is no such thing as "out-dated" facial lamps (unless it's the model of lamp that is "out-dated")

The fact of the matter is that your 2004 lamps are probably BETTER than a lot of the cheapened crap that's made nowadays.

If you buy a part for your car, you don't ask the dealer what the manufacture date is of the part. All that matters is whether it's still in the box or not.

[TonyG]

Well, everyone is saying OLD is the same as NEW. I don't know what proof John, Brian, Frankie, Stan etc have to support the assertion that lamps do not degrade sitting around for 5 years, and I have no reason to doubt what they say.

However, I have a bit of St.Louis in me, so John, could you send a 2004 lamp to a trusted geek like Solarmeter Steve, and then the same model lamp made in 2009, and let Steve report on the output?

Nothing like facts and science to end a discussion amicably.