Lamps For Ambition 250?

[BodyBronze]

Ambition owners, (owners only please)

I need to try some different lamps in my ambition series equipment. I run them 15 mins and need a good amount of B

What I have already used:

Heraeus 23/100 magic sun- What I currently use decent A and B

Supra 100 watt reflectors- good A needed more B

Heraeus 26/100- Metered good customers complained I dont know why....

Cosmolux VLR TT- its been awhile didnt really like them.

LSI 6.5 reflectors didnt like them in my ambitions worked really good in my electronic ballast sundash 332 pro

The factory VHP15 was still the best lamp in my opinon...

Lamps i'm looking at trying:

Tango 100 watt reflectors from JK LIGHT - Good Price and would like some feed back if anyone uses them

I'm open for suggestion from any ambition owners.

[RobertK]

Well I do own 3 Ambition 250's.......they are in my warehouse and not shipping until next week so:

New Technology 100w SR lamps.

[Parrot Head]

Like you say, the factory vhp 15 is hard to beat. Gives a great tan and continues for many hours.

[Brian Oshman]

Originally Posted by BodyBronze

Ambition owners, (owners only please)

I need to try some different lamps in my ambition series equipment. I run them 15 mins and need a good amount of B

What I have already used:

Heraeus 23/100 magic sun- What I currently use decent A and B

Supra 100 watt reflectors- good A needed more B

Heraeus 26/100- Metered good customers complained I dont know why....

Cosmolux VLR TT- its been awhile didnt really like them.

LSI 6.5 reflectors didnt like them in my ambitions worked really good in my electronic ballast sundash 332 pro

The factory VHP15 was still the best lamp in my opinon...

Lamps i'm looking at trying:

Tango 100 watt reflectors from JK LIGHT - Good Price and would like some feed back if anyone uses them

I'm open for suggestion from any ambition owners.

I got one with more B also.

[solarmeter®]

Heraeus 26/100- Metered good customers complained I dont know why....

What did they meter? Decline too soon? Some do.

What did the OEM VHP-15's meter? Who made them?

[BodyBronze]

I used the F-1000 BP-R 100 watt

Is there a different one with a reflector and more B?

Originally Posted by Brian Oshman

I got one with more B also.

[BodyBronze]

The Heraeus metered 33-34 on the 5.0 with the meter on the bench. The 7.0 showed me 26-27 so a 8-9 min te time. These were brand new readings they fell off to about 29-30 and a 12 min TE time.

The VHP15 metered 25 at 100 hrs. and 16 on the 7.0 giving me an exact 15 min TE time and they lasted for ever. They stayed that way over a 1000 hrs. I kept metering them thinking they had to die sooner or later they only lost a couple milliwatts over the life of the lamp.

Originally Posted by solarmeter®

What did they meter? Decline too soon? Some do.

What did the OEM VHP-15's meter? Who made them?

[UV MAN]

What do you expect from a 15 minute bed??????

You have a 12 minute TE time on a 15 minute bed after the lamps fell off and that is not strong enough? 8-9 minutes is way too strong to begin with.

Is that on the 26/160, if so then that is why the quicker drop off as it has more B. You should be looking for a lamp that is about a TE time of 12.5-13.5 minutes out of the box on a 15 minute bed. They will drop off about 1 minute after the first 20 hrs.

When you say, after a lamp has settled in, what do you mean? How many hours?

Seems like you are all over the map, it is not rocket science.

[Brian Oshman]

Originally Posted by BodyBronze

I used the F-1000 BP-R 100 watt

Is there a different one with a reflector and more B?

Got readings?

[BodyBronze]

Originally Posted by BodyBronze

Ambition owners, (owners only please)

I need to try some different lamps in my ambition series equipment. I run them 15 mins and need a good amount of B

What I have already used:

Heraeus 23/100 magic sun- What I currently use decent A and B

Supra 100 watt reflectors- good A needed more B

Heraeus 26/100- Metered good customers complained I dont know why....

Cosmolux VLR TT- its been awhile didnt really like them.

LSI 6.5 reflectors didnt like them in my ambitions worked really good in my electronic ballast sundash 332 pro

The factory VHP15 was still the best lamp in my opinon...

Lamps i'm looking at trying:

Tango 100 watt reflectors from JK LIGHT - Good Price and would like some feed back if anyone uses them

I'm open for suggestion from any ambition owners.

I know its not rocket science. What I said was they metered well but I had nothing but complaints from clients. I know it does not make sense. Same thing with my iBED's except in reverse they meter so-so no where near what my sungate read but people claim they get far results better from the iBED. I have to somewhat comply with what the customer wants to an extent. I figured I would run a premium lamp with high B as opposed to an interelectric high b lamp. (no offense to supra I know the manufacturing arrangement)

MY people like UVB I would say 75% of my customers are olive skinned thats why I offer them alot of B in my lower end equipment. I have a magic, matrix or a saturn for my fair complected clients.

[BodyBronze]

Supra's

37 on a 5.0 brand new and about an 11min te time from 7.0

Originally Posted by Brian Oshman

Got readings?

[solarmeter®]

I know its not rocket science. What I said was they metered well but I had nothing but complaints from clients. I know it does not make sense. Same thing with my iBED's except in reverse they meter so-so no where near what my sungate read but people claim they get far results better from the iBED.

The term "metered well" is relative. What is "well" to a light skin type is "complaint" to an olive skin type with lots of base tan.

Light skin likes big 5.0 readings and lower 6.0 and/or 7.0 readings.

Darker skin doesn't care about 5.0 values... only 6.0/7.0 values.

Ideally all three would be "just right" for EVERY skin type... but alas that's not how phosphor blends work. Some "hot" B lamps read awful on 5.0 UVA. Some "gentle" B lamps read huge on 5.0.

Kinda like a cup of coffee mixing in creme and sugar. No ONE mix percentage can satisfy all the different taste buds.

PS: Make sure you are taking all readings at or close to belly button position pointing up with canopy closed for apples to apples values. Don't mix in any bench or "at lamp" readings.

[BodyBronze]

Ok let me say this in other words. The readings as posted above for the 26/100 are high for what I try to achieve with this level of equipment. I do set these up to give more B without losing to much A for the majority of olive skinned customers I cater too.

As far as meter position I was taught by the expert when you came to my salon and brought me the meters I purchased from you. LOL only thing I have choose to do different is rest the meter on the bench acyrlic as opposed to using the stick.

In regards to this reply I do completely understand what your saying. I know what different skin types respond better to. I was just stating these lamps metered good for what I look for but I had complaints from customers which I have no explaination for

Originally Posted by solarmeter®

The term "metered well" is relative. What is "well" to a light skin type is "complaint" to an olive skin type with lots of base tan.

Light skin likes big 5.0 readings and lower 6.0 and/or 7.0 readings.

Darker skin doesn't care about 5.0 values... only 6.0/7.0 values.

Ideally all three would be "just right" for EVERY skin type... but alas that's not how phosphor blends work. Some "hot" B lamps read awful on 5.0 UVA. Some "gentle" B lamps read huge on 5.0.

Kinda like a cup of coffee mixing in creme and sugar. No ONE mix percentage can satisfy all the different taste buds.

PS: Make sure you are taking all readings at or close to belly button position pointing up with canopy closed for apples to apples values. Don't mix in any bench or "at lamp" readings.

[UV MAN]

That is why I would thing the 23/160 would be about what you want compared to the 26/160.

The Supra numbers look good. I am wondering if your 7.0 meter is accurate.

One thought would be if the supra lamp worked well in the bench as it is closer to the body then you could just alternate it with the 23/160 or 26/160 in the canopy for more uvb kick. If that makes sense.

I usually go with a little more aggressive set up in the canopy.

I get what you are saying about the IBed. Let me take a guess here, your I Bed uses traditional lamps like a 20/160 or 23/160 or comparable & the Gate is using more of a New Era lamp RIGHT. If this is the case I have been there.

[Drew]

His meters are accurate. Dude knows more about bed outputs than 99 percent of tanning salon owners out there.

HIS CLIENTS like the higher B lamps. The old era initial reddening lamps.

The Supras meter fantastic on the 250..and even better on the 232 as I posted earlier with just a 10 min TE. But for some reason...his financially crippled denizens of Detroit want to cook themselves and he isn't dumb enough to argue with them. The smart people at his stores us his Magic or his Saturn HP units.

He has had luck mixing lamps...Supras and old era high b lamps giving people a tan and the red. But mixing lamps takes time and he is looking for the perfect high B lamp that also tans.

As for the New Technology..they have a TON of uvb. A silver bullet here in SD is giving a 6 min TE time with them...not brand new either...but the 5.0 meter readings are only 45. So it is maybe another lamp you could MIX in with good new era lamps.

[BodyBronze]

Drew, Thank you as always for the vote of confidence. Its always nice to get a boost in my street credit around here LOL (no pun intended).

Originally Posted by Drew

His meters are accurate. Dude knows more about bed outputs than 99 percent of tanning salon owners out there.

HIS CLIENTS like the higher B lamps. The old era initial reddening lamps.

The Supras meter fantastic on the 250..and even better on the 232 as I posted earlier with just a 10 min TE. But for some reason...his financially crippled denizens of Detroit want to cook themselves and he isn't dumb enough to argue with them. The smart people at his stores us his Magic or his Saturn HP units.

He has had luck mixing lamps...Supras and old era high b lamps giving people a tan and the red. But mixing lamps takes time and he is looking for the perfect high B lamp that also tans.

As for the New Technology..they have a TON of uvb. A silver bullet here in SD is giving a 6 min TE time with them...not brand new either...but the 5.0 meter readings are only 45. So it is maybe another lamp you could MIX in with good new era lamps.

[BodyBronze]

23/100 - thats what I currently run in these beds. They are the best I have come up with. I'm just looking for that odd ball lamp that works really well in this application. Like I said before nothing seems to compare to the factory lamps for this bed and as you can see I have tried a few options.

You're right about the gate and iBED I run old school lamps in the ibed but... I ran supras in the gate and 23/160's (not a combination either) The supras started out in the high 80's the 23/160's hit high 70's new with a low te time. But no one ever really ranted or raved about the gate. I took out the gate and put in ibeds's and people love them maybe it's psychological because the ibed is really that much nicer than the gate. But me personally I honestly feel I get more color from the ibed and these are 23/160's as opposed to 23/160's in the gate. Which again makes no sense what so ever.

Originally Posted by UV MAN

That is why I would thing the 23/160 would be about what you want compared to the 26/160.

The Supra numbers look good. I am wondering if your 7.0 meter is accurate.

One thought would be if the supra lamp worked well in the bench as it is closer to the body then you could just alternate it with the 23/160 or 26/160 in the canopy for more uvb kick. If that makes sense.

I usually go with a little more aggressive set up in the canopy.

I get what you are saying about the IBed. Let me take a guess here, your I Bed uses traditional lamps like a 20/160 or 23/160 or comparable & the Gate is using more of a New Era lamp RIGHT. If this is the case I have been there.

[RobertK]

FYI Drew New Technology may or may not have a lot of UVB. It all depends on which model. We stock 6 different flavors of 71" 160w R lamps let alone all the other lengths and strengths.

Mike give the NT 100w SR's a try. We sell a ton of them into 15min Ambitions.

[solarmeter®]

As far as meter position I was taught by the expert when you came to my salon and brought me the meters I purchased from you.

Oops.... I forgot that was you I visited. Your avatar threw me off haha. If you came to the door looking like that I might have run back to the car. (Just kidding)

Then again... so does Drew's avatar..

[RobertK]

Now if they showed up together holding hands.......